Spot the fake! Test for Newbies.

Doug G. · 03-12-2005, 01:06 PM

There is something very wrong with this auction. Can you tell? More experienced collectors wait a bit before you tell.

FAKE LUGER AUCTION

tracyp · 03-12-2005, 04:42 PM

Well, it looks correct except it's been reblued and the magazine has been re-stamped with the matching serial number. The magazine is a poor attempt at a matching magazine. No aceptance stamps. W should be below and is not the right style. He says the ejector is straw color. It really is a redish color.

Can't tell from the pics if the grips are original or not.

Tracy

Ponyman · 03-12-2005, 06:34 PM

STRAW on a BLACK WIDOW??? Really? I thought you guys said strawing stopped in '37. Black Widows were made '40-'42.

Thor · 03-12-2005, 07:29 PM

Many times a salt blued ejector will look red because it is hard, just like extractors. Even proper Mauser made Black widows will sometimes display red looking extractors and ejectors.

G.W. Gill · 03-13-2005, 12:30 AM

Great! Fun post!.... Thanks...

Ron Smith · 03-13-2005, 08:18 AM

The mag is a "Toad".

Doug G. · 03-13-2005, 08:34 AM

My opinions on this gun. The first thing that jumped out was the way the uninformed "Booster" made a matching mag for this gun. I believe that the blue looks ok although the poor picture quality makes it difficult to tell. But all sharp edges are still sharp. Unless this is a dipped or professionally refinished gun and hot salt blue is hard to tell age. The real shame of it is that someone took a $150 magazine and ruined it!

pipeman45 · 03-14-2005, 12:30 AM

If the mag is the only thing wrong,then I passed this test. If there is more, then it's back to the corner with the dunce cap!

NewToLugers · 03-15-2005, 09:25 PM

How can you tell the mag has been restamped?

Doug G. · 03-15-2005, 10:11 PM

The mag probably was unmarked prior to the attempt to match it to a gun. All WWII era mags will have the numbers stamped near the middle. The letter suffix if any will be below the number. The + for extra mag and then the proof mark. The only exception will be police mags that have the number 1 or 2 above the serial number.

Frank · 03-16-2005, 07:32 AM

Doug G., the fxo aluminum bottom magazines do not have inspection marks on the bottom. Most 122 magazines do not have inspection marks either, except some very early magazines have E/37 stamped on either the top or mid portions of the bottom.

Doug G. · 03-16-2005, 08:26 AM

Frank you are correct, I guess I was generalizing on earlier mags.

Frank · 03-17-2005, 07:32 AM

Doug G., I just wanted to make sure the new collectors had the information for the 122 and fxo magazine Waffenamt Marks. As you know, they are on the side of the magazine tube as E/37!

03-12-2005, 01:06 PM	#1
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Spot the fake! Test for Newbies. There is something very wrong with this auction. Can you tell? More experienced collectors wait a bit before you tell. FAKE LUGER AUCTION

03-12-2005, 06:34 PM	#3
Ponyman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlantic County, NJ, USA Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	STRAW on a BLACK WIDOW??? Really? I thought you guys said strawing stopped in '37. Black Widows were made '40-'42. __________________ "The Constitution is intended for use by a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other." ~ John Quincy Adams

03-12-2005, 07:29 PM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Many times a salt blued ejector will look red because it is hard, just like extractors. Even proper Mauser made Black widows will sometimes display red looking extractors and ejectors. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

03-13-2005, 08:18 AM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	The mag is a "Toad". __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-14-2005, 12:30 AM	#8
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	If the mag is the only thing wrong,then I passed this test. If there is more, then it's back to the corner with the dunce cap! __________________ Dave

03-12-2005, 04:42 PM	#2
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Well, it looks correct except it's been reblued and the magazine has been re-stamped with the matching serial number. The magazine is a poor attempt at a matching magazine. No aceptance stamps. W should be below and is not the right style. He says the ejector is straw color. It really is a redish color. Can't tell from the pics if the grips are original or not. Tracy

03-13-2005, 12:30 AM	#5
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Great! Fun post!.... Thanks...

03-13-2005, 08:34 AM	#7
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	My opinions on this gun. The first thing that jumped out was the way the uninformed "Booster" made a matching mag for this gun. I believe that the blue looks ok although the poor picture quality makes it difficult to tell. But all sharp edges are still sharp. Unless this is a dipped or professionally refinished gun and hot salt blue is hard to tell age. The real shame of it is that someone took a $150 magazine and ruined it!

03-15-2005, 09:25 PM	#9
NewToLugers User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How can you tell the mag has been restamped?

03-15-2005, 10:11 PM	#10
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	The mag probably was unmarked prior to the attempt to match it to a gun. All WWII era mags will have the numbers stamped near the middle. The letter suffix if any will be below the number. The + for extra mag and then the proof mark. The only exception will be police mags that have the number 1 or 2 above the serial number.

03-16-2005, 07:32 AM	#11
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Doug G., the fxo aluminum bottom magazines do not have inspection marks on the bottom. Most 122 magazines do not have inspection marks either, except some very early magazines have E/37 stamped on either the top or mid portions of the bottom.

03-16-2005, 08:26 AM	#12
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Frank you are correct, I guess I was generalizing on earlier mags.

03-17-2005, 07:32 AM	#13
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Doug G., I just wanted to make sure the new collectors had the information for the 122 and fxo magazine Waffenamt Marks. As you know, they are on the side of the magazine tube as E/37!