Another 1914

FNorm · 08-02-2009, 08:31 PM

I love gun shows. They're there, ya just have to hunt for them sometimes. All matching and pretty. Maybe someone can explain the front strap marking...?

FNorm · 08-02-2009, 08:37 PM

Barrel and sight witness

FNorm · 08-02-2009, 08:43 PM

Ooops. It is a DWM magazine, correct for that period, but unmarked. It does look like the pin has been taken out.

Don M · 08-03-2009, 03:29 PM

The grip strap marking is probably not police.

Ron Smith · 08-03-2009, 04:38 PM

Fred,

A beautiful 1914 marked to Dragoon Regt. 9. Most likely a provisional mark, or a Stab (staff) pistol due to the lack of a Squadron or weapon number. A very desirable Cavalry unit mark.

Since the magazine is a mess. I'll give you $12 for the Luger. You can keep the magazine.

Ron

FNorm · 08-03-2009, 07:33 PM

Didn't say it was a mess. Just that I thought it might have been 'messed with'. Yeah, even though the rt. grip is loose, it clicks back and forth, I might have to hold out for $15.

FN

FNorm · 08-03-2009, 08:02 PM

If it ain't aviation, I don't know much about it. What's a Dragoon? Mounted Infantry? Where to find out more about the 9th?

There is so little wear on the muzzle and side plate, it would make sense that it was a staff weapon. Or at least someone who didn't draw/use it much.

FN

Ron Smith · 08-03-2009, 09:39 PM

Dragoons were elite, fast, strike and withdraw Light Cavalry. They were also used as forward scouts and to harass larger enemy units.

Here's a photo from around 1914-15 of a Dragoon Regiment.

FNorm · 08-04-2009, 09:40 AM

Somewhere in some history book, I remember the Dragoons saving the day in some famous battle. Can't even remember the sides. But side A was winning big time, until the hidden dragoons flanked them, and side B rolled 'em up. Sounds like something Napoleon would do....

FN

policeluger · 08-04-2009, 11:34 AM

Ron, why would some one strike and then withdraw.....I guess my desert dry rot mind does not understand.....and I know nothing of military tactics.........thanks

Ron Wood · 08-04-2009, 11:50 AM

A small quickly moving force can strike a vulnerable enemy position, inflicting damage and thereby weakening the opposing force in that sector and also drawing attention away from the thrust of the main force. A quick raid unit like that is not of sufficient size or strength to hold a defensive position when reinforcing enemy forces arrive, so it withdraws to strike again in another location. It is the tactic of "strike and run away to live to fight another day".

Ron Smith · 08-04-2009, 11:56 AM

Howard,

What Ron said...

It's a very effective tactic to keep a larger force second guessing as to when and where a major attack will take place. It also serves to keep them confused and on edge. Continual stress and fatigue can wear down a fighting force very quickly, and destroy moral.

The Navy SEALs did this with good effect in Vietnam. Sometimes causing the NVA and VC to fire on their own positions.

Ron

policeluger · 08-04-2009, 11:58 AM

RW thanks, I guess its was an early form of guerilla warfare.......

spartacus38 · 08-04-2009, 01:25 PM

Sure is a pretty 1914 DWM.

Bob

08-02-2009, 08:31 PM	#1
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Another 1914 I love gun shows. They're there, ya just have to hunt for them sometimes. All matching and pretty. Maybe someone can explain the front strap marking...? Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

08-02-2009, 08:37 PM	#2
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Another 1914 pt.2 Barrel and sight witness Attached Images

08-02-2009, 08:43 PM	#3
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Ooops. It is a DWM magazine, correct for that period, but unmarked. It does look like the pin has been taken out. Last edited by FNorm; 08-02-2009 at 09:17 PM. Reason: addition

08-03-2009, 03:29 PM	#4
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	The grip strap marking is probably not police. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

08-03-2009, 04:38 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Fred, A beautiful 1914 marked to Dragoon Regt. 9. Most likely a provisional mark, or a Stab (staff) pistol due to the lack of a Squadron or weapon number. A very desirable Cavalry unit mark. Since the magazine is a mess. I'll give you $12 for the Luger. You can keep the magazine. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-03-2009, 07:33 PM	#6
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Didn't say it was a mess. Just that I thought it might have been 'messed with'. Yeah, even though the rt. grip is loose, it clicks back and forth, I might have to hold out for $15. FN

08-03-2009, 08:02 PM	#7
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	If it ain't aviation, I don't know much about it. What's a Dragoon? Mounted Infantry? Where to find out more about the 9th? There is so little wear on the muzzle and side plate, it would make sense that it was a staff weapon. Or at least someone who didn't draw/use it much. FN

08-03-2009, 09:39 PM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Dragoons were elite, fast, strike and withdraw Light Cavalry. They were also used as forward scouts and to harass larger enemy units. Here's a photo from around 1914-15 of a Dragoon Regiment. Attached Thumbnails __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-04-2009, 09:40 AM	#9
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Somewhere in some history book, I remember the Dragoons saving the day in some famous battle. Can't even remember the sides. But side A was winning big time, until the hidden dragoons flanked them, and side B rolled 'em up. Sounds like something Napoleon would do.... FN

08-04-2009, 11:34 AM	#10
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Ron, why would some one strike and then withdraw.....I guess my desert dry rot mind does not understand.....and I know nothing of military tactics.........thanks

08-04-2009, 11:50 AM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,989 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	A small quickly moving force can strike a vulnerable enemy position, inflicting damage and thereby weakening the opposing force in that sector and also drawing attention away from the thrust of the main force. A quick raid unit like that is not of sufficient size or strength to hold a defensive position when reinforcing enemy forces arrive, so it withdraws to strike again in another location. It is the tactic of "strike and run away to live to fight another day". __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-04-2009, 11:56 AM	#12
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Howard, What Ron said... It's a very effective tactic to keep a larger force second guessing as to when and where a major attack will take place. It also serves to keep them confused and on edge. Continual stress and fatigue can wear down a fighting force very quickly, and destroy moral. The Navy SEALs did this with good effect in Vietnam. Sometimes causing the NVA and VC to fire on their own positions. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-04-2009, 11:58 AM	#13
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	RW thanks, I guess its was an early form of guerilla warfare.......

08-04-2009, 01:25 PM	#14
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Sure is a pretty 1914 DWM. Bob