1900 and 1908 sideplate discussion

jamese · 02-15-2005, 03:13 PM

would like to find trigger and or side plate for a 1900 DWM

Thanks,
Jim

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THIS IS FROM 2010 OR EARLIER POSTING

Karl · 02-17-2005, 10:00 PM

Jamese,

FYI, a standard P-08 sideplate will fit an M1900 without any modification. However, the trigger lever is different. Hope this helps. KFS

aldo35 · 09-02-2014, 07:45 PM

Karl,

How is the 1900 trigger bar different from the one in a P08?

Aldo35

John Sabato · 09-03-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by aldo35

Karl,

How is the 1900 trigger bar different from the one in a P08?

Aldo35

Here is a photo from the Bobba book that shows different sideplates including the Model 1900, but I can't see any perceptible differences in this photo except the square front corner on the sideplate.

Would anyone please post any other pictures that can show what the differences in the trigger lever are? It would be greatly appreciated.

aldo35 · 09-03-2014, 01:17 PM

John,

I have been told that the trigger bars differ in two aspects, first the 1900 trigger bar is shorter than a P08, 0.224 vs 0.332 and second that 1900 trigger bar travel less than the P08. I don't have a 1900 trigger plate so I cna't confirm either. I can say a modified P08 trigger and a P08 side plate on my 1900 did not fire.

Aldo35

John Sabato · 09-03-2014, 01:39 PM

Alignment of the trigger lever with the spring loaded disconnector on the trigger bar is critical in all Luger pistols. I wish I could examine the modified P.08 parts and your pistol to see exactly why the gun doesn't fire, but that is not likely to happen except in photos...

You will have to determine the extent, if any, of contact between the two parts, and how much movement is required to trip the sear to solve the problem. Any knowledgeable Luger gunsmith (not just a parts replacer, but someone like Tom Heller, Hugh Clark, Ted Green, Neil Keller, Art Buchanan, Howard Collins, Rich (Sheepherder) Brennan... just to name a few...) should be able to create a functional sideplate with appropriate modifications.

You don't mention if your measurement numbers (0.224 vs 0.332 ) are in inches or millimeters...

Ron Wood · 09-03-2014, 03:17 PM

The lower "arm" of the L-shaped lever on a 1900 is shorter than the later models. I have had a 1900 with a correct side plate but with a replacement later lever. It functioned OK but you had to kind of "wiggle" in the lever to install the side plate. Don't recall if the lever was stock or modified but I believe it was stock.

Another difference is that the 1900 side plate sits flush with the frame on the left side...later models are thicker.

Ron Wood · 09-05-2014, 12:02 AM

Rich,
Hope this un-confuses things a little. The corner of the 1900 side plate is a bit worn but you can see that it is "more squarer"

than the later Erfurt. Both side plates are square at the back side of the corner but the later side plate has a chamfer or rounding over of the outside of the corner.

Lugerdoc · 09-05-2014, 12:32 PM

aldo, Disregarding the external appearance, which is not critical to it's operation, the M1900 side plate is milled inside a bit differently than the standard M1906 and later side plates, but with some fitting a PO8 side plate should also work with a shortened trigger lever and original M1900 trigger (have some @$150 each) or a M29 Swiss or Swiss model Parabellum trigger @$50. Tom

CalvinCamaro · 09-12-2014, 01:50 PM

Forgive my ignorance but would a 29Swiss sideplate be an alternative to a 1900 sideplate on a 1900 luger?

Ron Wood · 09-12-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CalvinCamaro

Forgive my ignorance but would a 29Swiss sideplate be an alternative to a 1900 sideplate on a 1900 luger?

Unfortunately no. It would look totally out of place. The side plate "island" or "hump" on a '29 Swiss is the full width of the side plate and, like all of the Lugers later than the Model 1900, the side plate would not fit flush with the frame on the right side.

If the lower arm of the transfer lever was shortened, a '29 Swiss side plate might function on a 1900 but wouldn't look right.

Edward Tinker · 08-01-2016, 04:56 PM

Found this great posting - took out some irrelevant posts out and made it a sticky. Tell me if we already have something like this.

Also closed it, can re-open if folks have something they'd like to share.

Although not well done, here is a sideplate compare chart I made.
Ed

02-15-2005, 03:13 PM	#1
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	1900 and 1908 sideplate discussion would like to find trigger and or side plate for a 1900 DWM Thanks, Jim ADMIN - JIM I MODIFIED THIS SLIGHTLY, BUT DID NOT WANT TO CHANGE YOUR WORDS COMPLETELY THIS IS FROM 2010 OR EARLIER POSTING __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception Last edited by Edward Tinker; 08-01-2016 at 04:55 PM.

09-02-2014, 07:45 PM	#3
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,221 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	1900 trigger bar Karl, How is the 1900 trigger bar different from the one in a P08? Aldo35

09-03-2014, 01:17 PM	#5
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,221 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	WTB 1900 Trigger Plate John, I have been told that the trigger bars differ in two aspects, first the 1900 trigger bar is shorter than a P08, 0.224 vs 0.332 and second that 1900 trigger bar travel less than the P08. I don't have a 1900 trigger plate so I cna't confirm either. I can say a modified P08 trigger and a P08 side plate on my 1900 did not fire. Aldo35

09-03-2014, 01:39 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Alignment of the trigger lever with the spring loaded disconnector on the trigger bar is critical in all Luger pistols. I wish I could examine the modified P.08 parts and your pistol to see exactly why the gun doesn't fire, but that is not likely to happen except in photos... You will have to determine the extent, if any, of contact between the two parts, and how much movement is required to trip the sear to solve the problem. Any knowledgeable Luger gunsmith (not just a parts replacer, but someone like Tom Heller, Hugh Clark, Ted Green, Neil Keller, Art Buchanan, Howard Collins, Rich (Sheepherder) Brennan... just to name a few...) should be able to create a functional sideplate with appropriate modifications. You don't mention if your measurement numbers (0.224 vs 0.332 ) are in inches or millimeters... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-03-2014, 03:17 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	The lower "arm" of the L-shaped lever on a 1900 is shorter than the later models. I have had a 1900 with a correct side plate but with a replacement later lever. It functioned OK but you had to kind of "wiggle" in the lever to install the side plate. Don't recall if the lever was stock or modified but I believe it was stock. Another difference is that the 1900 side plate sits flush with the frame on the left side...later models are thicker. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-17-2005, 10:00 PM	#2
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 522 Thanks: 0 Thanked 271 Times in 118 Posts	Jamese, FYI, a standard P-08 sideplate will fit an M1900 without any modification. However, the trigger lever is different. Hope this helps. KFS

09-05-2014, 12:02 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Rich, Hope this un-confuses things a little. The corner of the 1900 side plate is a bit worn but you can see that it is "more squarer" than the later Erfurt. Both side plates are square at the back side of the corner but the later side plate has a chamfer or rounding over of the outside of the corner. Attached Thumbnails __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-05-2014, 12:32 PM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	aldo, Disregarding the external appearance, which is not critical to it's operation, the M1900 side plate is milled inside a bit differently than the standard M1906 and later side plates, but with some fitting a PO8 side plate should also work with a shortened trigger lever and original M1900 trigger (have some @$150 each) or a M29 Swiss or Swiss model Parabellum trigger @$50. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-12-2014, 01:50 PM	#10
CalvinCamaro User Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Forgive my ignorance but would a 29Swiss sideplate be an alternative to a 1900 sideplate on a 1900 luger?