Savage 1907

schutzen-jager · 10-16-2020, 03:17 PM

from 1914 to 1917 French WWI military contract

gunnertwo · 10-16-2020, 05:43 PM

Nice pistol. I have three commercials, they have always appealed to me. Do you know what the military holsters look like?

G2

schutzen-jager · 10-16-2020, 07:00 PM

the French issue was from regular commercial stock + not marked any differently - only distinguished by serial number + only some by 7.65 caliber designation , lanyard attachment

gunnertwo · 10-16-2020, 07:13 PM

Thanks. What book are the images from?

G2

Fla.Mallard · 10-16-2020, 07:33 PM

I have a commercial one but I don't believe it's in as good condition as the OP's.

kurusu · 10-17-2020, 05:14 AM

Some 6500 of those Savage with serial numbers between 109760 and 166100 are part of a Portuguese Army contract. They are exactly like the French contract pistols(some of them were in fact diverted from the French contract) and there is no sure way to tell them apart.

Here is mine from the Portuguese contract.

schutzen-jager · 10-17-2020, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gunnertwo

Thanks. What book are the images from?

G2

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schutzen-jager · 10-17-2020, 09:16 AM

Portuguese contract was originally for Direccao Material de Guerra Marinha [ navy ] in Dec.23 ,1916 after French contract was completed + not shipped as per Savage records - after first French delivery the pistols were all marked with 7.65 caliber designation that the ones sent to Portugal were not - every Portuguese one i have seen in person + in reference materials had the national crest on grips -

French models with almost 6 times production of Portuguese ones are much scarcer here -

kurusu · 10-18-2020, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by schutzen-jager

Portuguese contract was originally for Direccao Material de Guerra Marinha [ navy ] in Dec.23 ,1916 after French contract was completed + not shipped as per Savage records - after first French delivery the pistols were all marked with 7.65 caliber designation that the ones sent to Portugal were not - every Portuguese one i have seen in person + in reference materials had the national crest on grips -

French models with almost 6 times production of Portuguese ones are much scarcer here -

Your information is wrong. Or at least incomplete.

Only the Navy contract had the Portuguese crest on the grips. That makes them very scarce. Curiously, most of the Navy pistols were sold to the USA in 1960 as surplus. There is one, yes you read right, one known pistol remaining in Portugal with the Portuguese crest in the grip panels.

schutzen-jager · 10-18-2020, 08:56 AM

you info is not correct - naval contract was shipped with standard grips as per Savage factory records + not some obscure authors opinion - i personally sorted thru several wooden cases of over 300 pistols + holsters fresh off the boat from Portugal in the 60'S at the Interarms warehouse in Virginia + all had the crest on grips - all creditable researchers believe that the crest grips were installed in Portugal because your armorers could not remove the brittle originals without braking them - the crest grips were of softer composition with different checkering -

schutzen-jager · 10-18-2020, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kurusu

The "obscure" author is Portuguese. Keep dreaming.

have over 5000 reference books + magazines going back 90 years , U.S. , British , French , German , Spanish , + a few others + never have seen that author mentioned anywhere - everyone is entitled to opinions but it is best that they be based on creditable facts - that is all i have to say on this subject -

kurusu · 10-18-2020, 05:50 PM

300 something seems about right for the Navy contract. Seems kind of a wonder that all Navy pistols got their grips broken and over 5500 Army pistols didn't.

The "obscure" author is Portuguese.

And has been studying Portuguese military weapons for over 20 years.

10-16-2020, 03:17 PM	#1
schutzen-jager User Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: peoples republic of New Jersey Posts: 187 Thanks: 208 Thanked 187 Times in 86 Posts	Savage 1907 from 1914 to 1917 French WWI military contract Attached Thumbnails

10-16-2020, 07:00 PM	#3
schutzen-jager User Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: peoples republic of New Jersey Posts: 187 Thanks: 208 Thanked 187 Times in 86 Posts	the French issue was from regular commercial stock + not marked any differently - only distinguished by serial number + only some by 7.65 caliber designation , lanyard attachment Attached Thumbnails Last edited by schutzen-jager; 10-17-2020 at 10:29 AM. Reason: addendum

10-17-2020, 05:14 AM	#6
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	Some 6500 of those Savage with serial numbers between 109760 and 166100 are part of a Portuguese Army contract. They are exactly like the French contract pistols(some of them were in fact diverted from the French contract) and there is no sure way to tell them apart. Here is mine from the Portuguese contract. Attached Thumbnails

10-18-2020, 08:56 AM	#10
schutzen-jager User Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: peoples republic of New Jersey Posts: 187 Thanks: 208 Thanked 187 Times in 86 Posts	you info is not correct - naval contract was shipped with standard grips as per Savage factory records + not some obscure authors opinion - i personally sorted thru several wooden cases of over 300 pistols + holsters fresh off the boat from Portugal in the 60'S at the Interarms warehouse in Virginia + all had the crest on grips - all creditable researchers believe that the crest grips were installed in Portugal because your armorers could not remove the brittle originals without braking them - the crest grips were of softer composition with different checkering - Attached Thumbnails

10-16-2020, 05:43 PM	#2
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 621 Thanks: 821 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	Nice pistol. I have three commercials, they have always appealed to me. Do you know what the military holsters look like? G2

10-16-2020, 07:13 PM	#4
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 621 Thanks: 821 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	Thanks. What book are the images from? G2

10-16-2020, 07:33 PM	#5
Fla.Mallard User Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 99 Thanks: 244 Thanked 95 Times in 37 Posts	I have a commercial one but I don't believe it's in as good condition as the OP's.

10-17-2020, 09:16 AM	#8
schutzen-jager User Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: peoples republic of New Jersey Posts: 187 Thanks: 208 Thanked 187 Times in 86 Posts	Portuguese contract was originally for Direccao Material de Guerra Marinha [ navy ] in Dec.23 ,1916 after French contract was completed + not shipped as per Savage records - after first French delivery the pistols were all marked with 7.65 caliber designation that the ones sent to Portugal were not - every Portuguese one i have seen in person + in reference materials had the national crest on grips - French models with almost 6 times production of Portuguese ones are much scarcer here -

10-18-2020, 05:50 PM	#12
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	300 something seems about right for the Navy contract. Seems kind of a wonder that all Navy pistols got their grips broken and over 5500 Army pistols didn't. The "obscure" author is Portuguese. And has been studying Portuguese military weapons for over 20 years.