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11-12-2003, 11:44 AM | #1 |
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New here and have a luger
I have tried to use the Luger Identification Form and the huge jpeg for this but I dont know enough about these pistols yet to tell much.
I think its a commercial luger and thats why I put it here. I have pictures for you all to see. I am not sure how to upload them on this site, but I will figure it out. If you can help me with this gun please let me know. Its caliber is 7.65mm Thanks John Titsworth, Jr. |
11-12-2003, 11:47 AM | #2 |
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Welcome to the Lugerforum. The Photo upload procedure is at the top of the message threads in the Site Help & Feedback Forum. There is a 180K filesize limit, but if you have any problems, just ask... or you can email them to lugerforum@yahoo.com if you can't figure it out and I will post them for you. Please include your member number in the email. I get lots of em... We will be glad to hear about and see your Luger and provide feedback.
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Welcome to our happy little family! I look forward to seeing the pictures of your pistol.
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11-12-2003, 10:23 PM | #4 |
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I changed my email address and it sent a new password to it which is at home where I am an the pictures are at work. I did get one to upload, but dont know where the link is. I will have to do it tommorow. The luger is not mine, but it may be depending on what you guys think of it. I hope the luger thing does not turn out to be like the Class 3 bug! I swore I would just buy one!
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Excellent Photography and a nice looking Luger.
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11-13-2003, 03:28 PM | #8 |
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Hello John,
The 24th. edition of the Blue Book of Gun Values, on page 929, lists a 1920's commercial luger at 98% 'original' finish at $ 825.00 plus a 25% cost premium for a 9 mm caliber. The $ 1500.00 asking price you mentioned seems very, very high for a plenitful and easy to find luger from the 1920's... Cannot tell for sure from the photos, but this one might be a refinished piece (rather some parts...), so value then drops... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> |
11-13-2003, 05:12 PM | #9 |
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Re: Blue Book prices on Lugers. I quit buying the Bluebook several years ago because any correlation between their prices and what I encountered at shows, auctions and on the net was purely coincidental. I just WISH I could buy Lugers at prices the BB quotes. Tom A. |
11-13-2003, 06:17 PM | #10 |
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Blue Book is off on many guns but $1500.00 is way to much for this 1920 coml Luger. Make a much lower offer. Again excellent photography!
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It is a proper 1920 Commercial, or in Jan Still's terminology a Weimar Alphabet Serial Number DWM Commercial (Alphabet DWM for short), in decent condition and marked for export. To my eye it hasn't been messed with as near as I can tell from the photos. The current market value is around $900 give or take a little. The $1500 asking price is way out of line.
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Don't let the "Germany" stamp bother you. It is completely correct, and most of these pistols are so marked. I don't think you mentioned the bore condition, as that will have some bearing on the value. I agree the pistol is overpriced by $500 to $700.
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Thanks for helping out. The bore looked OK and the 2 mags DO NOT match the gun either. I was thinking of offering $500 for it. Would that be around market for one without matching mags. How do you tell if its been redone or the parts are spares? I can look at it tommorow morning.
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11-14-2003, 09:46 AM | #14 |
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Sorry John, telling whether or not a particular gun has been refinished takes a practiced eye and is not something that you can learn in a single post or even a single read.
Basically, I look for the blurring of lines that should be sharp, the impressions of stamps and the like... My gut feeling (without a personal examination under proper lighting and magnifying glass) is that I agree with Ron Wood's assessment that from the photographs provided it does not appear that this gun has been refinished. I think $500 might be a lowball figure in today's market even without matching magazines... If you are dealing with a licensed dealer, I doubt he will go for that low an offer unless he got the gun for virtually nothing and is willing to grab some profit and run... $650 to $750 and the gun may go home with you after the waiting period. If it is a private sale... who knows what the owner is willing to take? The gun is not a rare variation, just one in apparently good shape. Good Luck and let us know what happens.
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The 1920 Commercial Luger (Alphabet Luger) is THE most commonly encountered Luger of all and $1500 is simply a ridiculous asking price. John is much more accurate at $650 - $750. The halo on the barrel serial numbers and the sharpness of the "GERMANY" stamp as well as the edges I can see in the pictures indicate that the pistol has not been refinished. It appears to be a nice example and worth John's quoted value. But, $1,500? Not this year!
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You guys have been more than kind to me and I thank you a bunch. One of these days I will get a Luger and will join the club. I think I will pass on this one. Take care.
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HI John smart move to pass at that price
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11-16-2003, 11:34 PM | #18 |
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You are already a member of the "club" John... there is no "ownership" requirement... just an admiration for some of the finest engineering in firearms history...
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Luger value:
I once sold a Luger (I DID NOT WANT TO SALE) for much more than it was worth to a serious collector. I told him it was over priced and he said "lets talk about that in 5 years....." I wish I still had that pistol... Tom |
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Over-Priced is in the eye (and checkbook) of the beholder.
Ralph and I wer talking last summer, he said that he buys for the future, that sometimes he wants a piece and figures that, like you stated, in five years, the price will catch up. Ed
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