help identifying.....noob

xj junkie · 11-09-2009, 02:25 AM

Hey guys im new to this forum and this is my first post so bear w/ me. i was helping my mom the other day and we stumbled upon this gun in some of my grandfathers stuff. i know its a luger, and i know its chambered in 9mm, but thats about all i know. if you guys could help me get and idea of when this pistol was made and mabey what its worth that would be great!! thanks for your help.

-Robert

policeluger · 11-09-2009, 03:36 AM

What a find, 1900 American Eagle in .30 cal I believe....looks like some right grip damage...more detailed pictures would help give value, but about 5k+ would be my guess....very nice condition

sheepherder · 11-09-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by policeluger

...looks like some right grip damage...

Looks like it was clamped in a vise...Nothing on the other grip...Import stamp has a halo...

Edward Tinker · 11-09-2009, 08:26 AM

Very nice, I am just starting to collect American eagles (a marketing ploy, had nothing to do with a gov't contract or anything by the way).

Looks like a very nice one!

I would about gurantee it is in 7.65mm and not 9mm; the tapered barrel and also that no standard production 1900's were made in 9mm.

1900's were made in the early 1900's and before about 1910 time frame I believe.

Keep me in mind if looking to sell or trade it (but nothing close to 5k, I have not seen them actually sell for anything near that). Folks like 1900's, but they have a finite market of people wanting them. simpson's LTD has them from $1200 - $4500 and they are excellent refereneces for prices, as high end retail, take off from 25-40% for you trying to sell usually.

Ed

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policeluger · 11-09-2009, 09:17 AM

Does not look like vice damage, looks like it was cut away, for what ever reason.....7.65 mm is 30 cal.......

alanint · 11-09-2009, 09:44 AM

The grip cutaway looks like it may have contained a presentation or dedication plaque at one time. See if you find a plaque that may have fit in that area among your Grandfather's things.

Lugerdoc · 11-09-2009, 11:13 AM

Your M1900AE is too early to be in the range of the US test guns. Finish is rough, but if all matching parts, in serviceable condition, should retail in the $1500 to $2500 range. TH

Ron Wood · 11-09-2009, 01:51 PM

It looks like the serial number is 9561, which would make it later than the US test guns. The indentation in the right grip looks like it was crushed rather than cut in...very odd. Also, the catch on the frame for the toggle lock has worked loose and has moved partially out of its slot. It could come out completely and be lost. It should be secured with Locktite or silver solder...for goodness sakes do not let anyone use a pin punch to stake it into place! I have seen that done and it looks awful. I think Lugerdoc's price estimation is pretty much on target and probably toward the middle of that range.

policeluger · 11-09-2009, 02:11 PM

XJ....reference Simpsons item D7524 for 8k, I know your grip issue and it is no small item, and the toggle lock, but if Simpson's think they can get 8k for thiers.....well the field of pricing is wide open......and I fail to see where "finish is rough"....this is a beautiful gun....do not let it got to easy, hope this helps.

Edward Tinker · 11-09-2009, 02:27 PM

PL, I don't see a 1900 in that price range;

1900 AMERICAN EAGLE; 30 LUGER; fair bore, fair grips, 4 5/8'' barrel, Pistol is matching and has been nickle plated. Checkering on grips smooth. No cracks or other damage. Nickle has some minor flaking at muzzle and along edges of frame under grips. Includes an old leather handmade holster., s/n 683xx, Catalog Number AE-02 D8196 $1,195.00

DWM 1900 AMERICAN EAGLE; 30 LUGER; 20% straw, fair bore, good grips, 4.75'' barrel, Matching. 'Germany' marked on front of frame. Little finish remains, the metal being a smooth grey. Grips are reproduction replacements and the left grip is cracked below
safety lever., s/n 94xx, Catalog Number AE-04 D8728 $1,495.00

DWM 1900 AMERICAN EAGLE; 30 LUGER; 95% blue, 90% straw, good bore, very good grips, 4.75'' barrel, Matching, Proper magazine marked 'Germany' on bottom, Front of frame marked 'Germany', Finish thinning on grip straps, s/n 101xx, Catalog Number AE-05 C9418 $4,995.00

DWM 1900 AMERICAN EAGLE; 30 LUGER; 99% blue, 97% straw, good bore, very good grips, 4.75'' barrel, Professional restoration. Matching. Front sight replaced with bead type., s/n 75xx, Catalog Number AE-09 C8421 $4,500.00

policeluger · 11-09-2009, 02:37 PM

sorry.....D-10, 8k........

Ron Wood · 11-09-2009, 03:30 PM

D-10 is an early Commercial with a Type 1 safety, pretty scarce and in nice shape. 1900 Commercials are much more difficult to find than American Eagles or Swiss. Still, $8K is a tad high IMO. I picked up a 1900 Commercial not too long ago with a bit lower serial number and a little less condition, maybe 95%, for $3000. Not a bad buy but a lot closer to ballpark than $8K.

policeluger · 11-09-2009, 04:04 PM

my mistake......

Dwight Gruber · 11-09-2009, 04:21 PM

Serial number suggests manufacture very late 1901

--Dwight

xj junkie · 11-09-2009, 09:57 PM

Thank you all for your help. do you have any suggestion were i might be able to sell this luger and get a decent price for it?

-Robert

11-09-2009, 02:25 AM	#1
xj junkie New User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	help identifying.....noob Hey guys im new to this forum and this is my first post so bear w/ me. i was helping my mom the other day and we stumbled upon this gun in some of my grandfathers stuff. i know its a luger, and i know its chambered in 9mm, but thats about all i know. if you guys could help me get and idea of when this pistol was made and mabey what its worth that would be great!! thanks for your help. -Robert Attached Thumbnails

11-09-2009, 11:13 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Your M1900AE is too early to be in the range of the US test guns. Finish is rough, but if all matching parts, in serviceable condition, should retail in the $1500 to $2500 range. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-09-2009, 01:51 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,097 Times in 1,676 Posts	It looks like the serial number is 9561, which would make it later than the US test guns. The indentation in the right grip looks like it was crushed rather than cut in...very odd. Also, the catch on the frame for the toggle lock has worked loose and has moved partially out of its slot. It could come out completely and be lost. It should be secured with Locktite or silver solder...for goodness sakes do not let anyone use a pin punch to stake it into place! I have seen that done and it looks awful. I think Lugerdoc's price estimation is pretty much on target and probably toward the middle of that range. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-09-2009, 02:27 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	PL, I don't see a 1900 in that price range; 1900 AMERICAN EAGLE; 30 LUGER; fair bore, fair grips, 4 5/8'' barrel, Pistol is matching and has been nickle plated. Checkering on grips smooth. No cracks or other damage. Nickle has some minor flaking at muzzle and along edges of frame under grips. Includes an old leather handmade holster., s/n 683xx, Catalog Number AE-02 D8196 $1,195.00 DWM 1900 AMERICAN EAGLE; 30 LUGER; 20% straw, fair bore, good grips, 4.75'' barrel, Matching. 'Germany' marked on front of frame. Little finish remains, the metal being a smooth grey. Grips are reproduction replacements and the left grip is cracked below safety lever., s/n 94xx, Catalog Number AE-04 D8728 $1,495.00 DWM 1900 AMERICAN EAGLE; 30 LUGER; 95% blue, 90% straw, good bore, very good grips, 4.75'' barrel, Matching, Proper magazine marked 'Germany' on bottom, Front of frame marked 'Germany', Finish thinning on grip straps, s/n 101xx, Catalog Number AE-05 C9418 $4,995.00 DWM 1900 AMERICAN EAGLE; 30 LUGER; 99% blue, 97% straw, good bore, very good grips, 4.75'' barrel, Professional restoration. Matching. Front sight replaced with bead type., s/n 75xx, Catalog Number AE-09 C8421 $4,500.00 __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-09-2009, 03:30 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,097 Times in 1,676 Posts	D-10 is an early Commercial with a Type 1 safety, pretty scarce and in nice shape. 1900 Commercials are much more difficult to find than American Eagles or Swiss. Still, $8K is a tad high IMO. I picked up a 1900 Commercial not too long ago with a bit lower serial number and a little less condition, maybe 95%, for $3000. Not a bad buy but a lot closer to ballpark than $8K. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-09-2009, 03:36 AM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	What a find, 1900 American Eagle in .30 cal I believe....looks like some right grip damage...more detailed pictures would help give value, but about 5k+ would be my guess....very nice condition

11-09-2009, 08:26 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Very nice, I am just starting to collect American eagles (a marketing ploy, had nothing to do with a gov't contract or anything by the way). Looks like a very nice one! I would about gurantee it is in 7.65mm and not 9mm; the tapered barrel and also that no standard production 1900's were made in 9mm. 1900's were made in the early 1900's and before about 1910 time frame I believe. Keep me in mind if looking to sell or trade it (but nothing close to 5k, I have not seen them actually sell for anything near that). Folks like 1900's, but they have a finite market of people wanting them. simpson's LTD has them from $1200 - $4500 and they are excellent refereneces for prices, as high end retail, take off from 25-40% for you trying to sell usually. Ed weimar_lugers@verizon.net

11-09-2009, 09:17 AM	#5
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Does not look like vice damage, looks like it was cut away, for what ever reason.....7.65 mm is 30 cal.......

11-09-2009, 09:44 AM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The grip cutaway looks like it may have contained a presentation or dedication plaque at one time. See if you find a plaque that may have fit in that area among your Grandfather's things.

11-09-2009, 02:11 PM	#9
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	XJ....reference Simpsons item D7524 for 8k, I know your grip issue and it is no small item, and the toggle lock, but if Simpson's think they can get 8k for thiers.....well the field of pricing is wide open......and I fail to see where "finish is rough"....this is a beautiful gun....do not let it got to easy, hope this helps.

11-09-2009, 02:37 PM	#11
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	sorry.....D-10, 8k........

11-09-2009, 04:04 PM	#13
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	my mistake......

11-09-2009, 04:21 PM	#14
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Serial number suggests manufacture very late 1901 --Dwight

11-09-2009, 09:57 PM	#15
xj junkie New User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you all for your help. do you have any suggestion were i might be able to sell this luger and get a decent price for it? -Robert