New to the forum - New Luger Owner !

The Bear Flag Revolt ! · 02-03-2014, 11:06 AM

First off,

I am new to the forum, thanks in advance for putting up w/ my inexperience.

Purchased (3) Luger Pistols, I may resell them as time goes on.

I am into military guns, these are Commercial ?

Very cool, but not my cup of tea.

Any help identifying/Pricing them would be greatly appreciated.

Edward Tinker · 02-03-2014, 11:22 AM

Kenny, not commercial, these are army, called artillery and refinished

how about, say,

gun 1 1917 erfurt, sn

gun2 no date, has markings...

You are just showing us pictures, on 3 guns, impossible to help much

welcome to the forum

DavidJayUden · 02-03-2014, 11:23 AM

Well this one is an artillery model, DWM 1916, reblued but apparently not buffed to oblivion. 9mm. I have no idea if the numbers match, but once it has been re-blued, then the matching numbers thing becomes a bit less important.
Value is a tough call on Artillery models with lots of disagreement here. Original guns in decent shape start at $2k and go up. Re-finished or mismatched shooters seem to bring around $1k or more.
This one looks pretty nice, so I'd try for a bit over $1500, but that is just a matter of finding someone who wants one AND has the money. And it also depends on numbers matching, good function and bore condition.
Others?
dju

The Bear Flag Revolt ! · 02-03-2014, 12:27 PM

Hi Guys,

Sorry for the confusion, I have only one pistol shown in pix.

Numbers that are visible appear to match.

Bore is excellent.

alanint · 02-03-2014, 12:43 PM

Although fairly nicely refinished it was hot blued, rather than rust blued and the strawing of the usual parts was ommited. As mentioned, the buffing was minimized, so this may be a candidate for restoration. The grips are replacements.
On the plus side it is an earlier artillery with both front and rear micro sight adjustments and despite the reblueing issues presents nicely.

The Bear Flag Revolt ! · 02-03-2014, 12:47 PM

I have the Original grips, thanks for all of your input ! I was hoping to get $2k for the pistol delivered, is that a stretch ?

Also, strawing ? What does that mean ?

Figured out Strawing. Thanks.

alanint · 02-03-2014, 01:10 PM

I think $2000 is a bit of a stretch but certainly well within the range of "possible", especially if it is advertised nationally on a site like Gunbroker.

DavidJayUden · 02-03-2014, 01:14 PM

Is $2k a stretch? Seems high, but then again it only takes one bidder with money to make it happen. I never seem to find just that guy, but others apparently do.
Artilleries are a funny market, so go ahead, maybe $2k OBO?
You can list it below in the For Sale column for free.
Good luck.
dju

The Bear Flag Revolt ! · 02-03-2014, 01:53 PM

Thanks for all the input. MUCH appreciated.

Next up, 6" model.

Edward Tinker · 02-03-2014, 02:06 PM

you can add pictures to your thread, to take out your originals screw everything up.

A reblued artillery is NOT worth $2,000 - someone please tell me where you have seen one for that amount, that SOLD.

The next one you show is called by some a double date, which is incorrect.

made in 1918, it received a 1920 property stamp. It has a different barrel on it than issued - as it should be a 4 inch
It is a shooter luger, people like ones that are six inch, again, nice to shoot - value is about $750 low and I would have it on my table for around a $1000 / likely taking around $900 if it sat for too long

Ed

The Bear Flag Revolt ! · 02-03-2014, 02:12 PM

How are u able to tell the barrel is not right ?

alanint · 02-03-2014, 02:56 PM

The length. Standard PO8s were not issued with that length of barrel. The different finish is also apparent.

Edward Tinker · 02-03-2014, 02:59 PM

and a WW1 barrel would have what's called 'witness' marks, and serial number and the land to land diameter markings

Its like a luger magazine, 10 years ago, I would ot spot one at a gun show, now, I can see one from 20 feet away

- things that are 'out of place' jump out at us

and the comment about the 2K - if in your area you can ask that and get it, then go for it - everything just takes time and the right person

DavidJayUden · 02-03-2014, 03:00 PM

Barrel should be numbered to the gun, and 6" is a non-standard length for this gun. So this one is re-blued, and rebarreled. $1k.

dju

Dwight Gruber · 02-03-2014, 08:18 PM

The Luger you have pictured is a standard WWI military P08 made in 1918, and stamped with the 1920 property mark indicating that it was in the hands of the German army in that year. The original 4-inch barrel has been replaced with one of 6 inches, probably of modern manufacture. It has been reblued, probably with a chemical salt blue.

You do not specify the caliber. If it is 9mm, it will probably make someone a nice shooter for $800 or so. If it is .30 Luger it will be a much tougher sell as a shooter, only to someone dedicated to that caliber, because the ammunition is hard to come by.

If the original grips are in good shape you should easily be able to get $150 or so for them all by themselves.

It will be interesting to see the other two Lugers you mention.

--Dwight

02-03-2014, 11:06 AM	#1
The Bear Flag Revolt ! User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New to the forum - New Luger Owner ! First off, I am new to the forum, thanks in advance for putting up w/ my inexperience. Purchased (3) Luger Pistols, I may resell them as time goes on. I am into military guns, these are Commercial ? Very cool, but not my cup of tea. Any help identifying/Pricing them would be greatly appreciated. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by The Bear Flag Revolt !; 02-03-2014 at 02:17 PM.

02-03-2014, 11:22 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Kenny, not commercial, these are army, called artillery and refinished how about, say, gun 1 1917 erfurt, sn gun2 no date, has markings... You are just showing us pictures, on 3 guns, impossible to help much welcome to the forum __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-03-2014, 02:59 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	and a WW1 barrel would have what's called 'witness' marks, and serial number and the land to land diameter markings Its like a luger magazine, 10 years ago, I would ot spot one at a gun show, now, I can see one from 20 feet away - things that are 'out of place' jump out at us and the comment about the 2K - if in your area you can ask that and get it, then go for it - everything just takes time and the right person __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-03-2014, 11:23 AM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Well this one is an artillery model, DWM 1916, reblued but apparently not buffed to oblivion. 9mm. I have no idea if the numbers match, but once it has been re-blued, then the matching numbers thing becomes a bit less important. Value is a tough call on Artillery models with lots of disagreement here. Original guns in decent shape start at $2k and go up. Re-finished or mismatched shooters seem to bring around $1k or more. This one looks pretty nice, so I'd try for a bit over $1500, but that is just a matter of finding someone who wants one AND has the money. And it also depends on numbers matching, good function and bore condition. Others? dju

02-03-2014, 12:27 PM	#4
The Bear Flag Revolt ! User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Guys, Sorry for the confusion, I have only one pistol shown in pix. Numbers that are visible appear to match. Bore is excellent.

02-03-2014, 12:43 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Although fairly nicely refinished it was hot blued, rather than rust blued and the strawing of the usual parts was ommited. As mentioned, the buffing was minimized, so this may be a candidate for restoration. The grips are replacements. On the plus side it is an earlier artillery with both front and rear micro sight adjustments and despite the reblueing issues presents nicely.

02-03-2014, 12:47 PM	#6
The Bear Flag Revolt ! User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have the Original grips, thanks for all of your input ! I was hoping to get $2k for the pistol delivered, is that a stretch ? Also, strawing ? What does that mean ? Figured out Strawing. Thanks.

02-03-2014, 01:10 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I think $2000 is a bit of a stretch but certainly well within the range of "possible", especially if it is advertised nationally on a site like Gunbroker.

02-03-2014, 01:14 PM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Is $2k a stretch? Seems high, but then again it only takes one bidder with money to make it happen. I never seem to find just that guy, but others apparently do. Artilleries are a funny market, so go ahead, maybe $2k OBO? You can list it below in the For Sale column for free. Good luck. dju

02-03-2014, 01:53 PM	#9
The Bear Flag Revolt ! User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the input. MUCH appreciated. Next up, 6" model.

02-03-2014, 02:06 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	you can add pictures to your thread, to take out your originals screw everything up. A reblued artillery is NOT worth $2,000 - someone please tell me where you have seen one for that amount, that SOLD. The next one you show is called by some a double date, which is incorrect. made in 1918, it received a 1920 property stamp. It has a different barrel on it than issued - as it should be a 4 inch It is a shooter luger, people like ones that are six inch, again, nice to shoot - value is about $750 low and I would have it on my table for around a $1000 / likely taking around $900 if it sat for too long Ed

02-03-2014, 02:12 PM	#11
The Bear Flag Revolt ! User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How are u able to tell the barrel is not right ?

02-03-2014, 02:56 PM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The length. Standard PO8s were not issued with that length of barrel. The different finish is also apparent.

02-03-2014, 03:00 PM	#14
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Barrel should be numbered to the gun, and 6" is a non-standard length for this gun. So this one is re-blued, and rebarreled. $1k. dju

02-03-2014, 08:18 PM	#15
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	The Luger you have pictured is a standard WWI military P08 made in 1918, and stamped with the 1920 property mark indicating that it was in the hands of the German army in that year. The original 4-inch barrel has been replaced with one of 6 inches, probably of modern manufacture. It has been reblued, probably with a chemical salt blue. You do not specify the caliber. If it is 9mm, it will probably make someone a nice shooter for $800 or so. If it is .30 Luger it will be a much tougher sell as a shooter, only to someone dedicated to that caliber, because the ammunition is hard to come by. If the original grips are in good shape you should easily be able to get $150 or so for them all by themselves. It will be interesting to see the other two Lugers you mention. --Dwight