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Dok · 01-03-2002, 09:28 AM

I hope you enjoy the pictures folks, but please do not innundate me with requests to post pictures for you, this is a member feature which can be achieved by you. I did this for bill m as a special favour.

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Doug · 01-03-2002, 10:18 AM

And I thought haveing one drum mag was great!

Johnny Peppers · 01-03-2002, 10:51 AM

Appreciate the extra effort on this one Dok. That is a fantastic Luger collectible.

Russ · 01-03-2002, 10:54 AM

bill that is very nice!!!!!! are they all type 2 drums?

bill m · 01-03-2002, 10:56 AM

Thanks dok,

Appreciate you doing this for me and I promise I will learn how in the future.

Original snail drum box. To my knowledge there are 4 of these known, with 3 being in the United States. This was found in Germany and thought to come from an Eastern Block country. It is all original as to paint, handles, and interior. Very interesting how they made these and how strong they are. Inside there are slots for 5 drum magazines, a loading tool, and room for boxes of ammo. The canvas snail drum carrier is also shown, which again is all original and a fairly hard to find item for the artillery collector.

bill m · 01-03-2002, 11:00 AM

Hi,

A combination of both, with the majority being type 1 drums. Eventually I would like to have all first issue drums for it. Have dust covers on some and machine gun adaptors for some also. A couple are in the ammo compartment.

John Sabato · 01-03-2002, 11:07 AM

And what a collectable! Did you find this package intact or did you have to piece it together?

Envy is a sin that I am sure most of us are guilty of after seeing these photos... What a treasure chest! (Pun Intended)

regards,

John

01-03-2002, 12:44 PM

I really appreciate the opportunity to see pictures of such a rare collectible. But to pick a nit, it is not a Luger collectible but rather an MP18I collectible.

The original plan for MP18I issue was for each company to have one submachine gun squad with six gunners armed with MP18I subguns and six ammunition cariers armed with G98 rifles. The squad had three handcarts to carry ammo and 2,500 rounds per subgun was the standard issue. The magazine boxes would have been carried on the handcarts.

Since LP08 pistols were generally issued to persons whose duties made it impractical to carry a K98a or G98, I doubt there were very many men armed with an LP08 who carried around a box full of snail drum magazines.

bill m · 01-03-2002, 02:45 PM

Hi Bill,

Since over 725,000 snail drums were produced starting in 1917, they had to be distributed by some means -- thus the snail drum box. There had to be a way to get these to the front and to Artillery crews. A 1917 LP08 manuel shows the drums, loader, canvas carriers, and the box. Since the MP181 did not come into use until the near end of WWI, I'm sure these boxes were used for the MP181 also, but they were used for the artillery Lugers mainly.

bill m · 01-03-2002, 02:49 PM

Hi John,

The box was bought seperately, (empty) and the drums and tool added. The canvas carrier was with the box, but bought seperately.

01-03-2002, 03:00 PM

Bill M.:

Since you reference the LP08 manual with photos of the box, you are unquestionably correct. I learn something new every day.

Regards,

Bill U.

John Sabato · 01-03-2002, 03:15 PM

01-03-2002, 08:12 PM

I'm not a luger collector (yet), but even I can appreciate the fantastic things in the two pictures.

01-03-2002, 09:46 PM

Bill.truly appreciate you sharing your treasure with the forum.....makes me wonder just what other treasures are out there in Forum land.....maybe Doc should run a "show and tell once a month.....just a suggestion........Leo

Dok · 01-04-2002, 03:38 PM

01-04-2002, 04:42 PM

Hey Dok....your the best,but what I was infering to was that the members donate some shots and info on thier most coveted treasures........Leo

John D. · 01-04-2002, 06:46 PM

On the cover and the front view - there is a large "P." - any idea if that mark is original or what it designates??

Really a terrific collectible (as well as the Drum mags and accessories you have assembled..!!). Thanks for showing it to us!!!...

bill m · 01-04-2002, 09:00 PM

Hi John,

Yes, the P is original in both places and I was told represents "ammo" -- That is about all I know about it. Of the 4 that I know of, I think they are all of different manufactures, with different style hinges and handles, but basically the same box as to size and width and construction. All of them have the "P" on them, but are of different styles and size, but in the same places. Mine is marked inside with a stamp of somekind which I can not make out and 18, which I take to be the year of manufacture. There was only one known up until last year when 3 were found in Germany, and thought to come from an Eastern Block country and actually bought at a plea market and then taken to Germany to a gun show. The one in all the books is in Belgium. Anyway, I'm glad to share it with you guys and hope you enjoy it. The canvas carrier is also a really hard and seldom ever seen accessory also.

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01-03-2002, 09:28 AM	#3
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	NB: Please Note! I hope you enjoy the pictures folks, but please do not innundate me with requests to post pictures for you, this is a member feature which can be achieved by you. I did this for bill m as a special favour. Dok (Webmaster)

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Doug User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: USA Posts: 168 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Am I jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) And I thought haveing one drum mag was great!

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bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bill Munis' snail drum mags box - exterior Thanks dok, Appreciate you doing this for me and I promise I will learn how in the future. Original snail drum box. To my knowledge there are 4 of these known, with 3 being in the United States. This was found in Germany and thought to come from an Eastern Block country. It is all original as to paint, handles, and interior. Very interesting how they made these and how strong they are. Inside there are slots for 5 drum magazines, a loading tool, and room for boxes of ammo. The canvas snail drum carrier is also shown, which again is all original and a fairly hard to find item for the artillery collector.

01-03-2002, 11:00 AM	#8
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Am I jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) Hi, A combination of both, with the majority being type 1 drums. Eventually I would like to have all first issue drums for it. Have dust covers on some and machine gun adaptors for some also. A couple are in the ammo compartment.

01-03-2002, 11:07 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Thanks for the effort Dok! Great Photos bill m! And what a collectable! Did you find this package intact or did you have to piece it together? Envy is a sin that I am sure most of us are guilty of after seeing these photos... What a treasure chest! (Pun Intended) regards, John

01-03-2002, 12:44 PM	#10
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Re: NB: Please Note! I really appreciate the opportunity to see pictures of such a rare collectible. But to pick a nit, it is not a Luger collectible but rather an MP18I collectible. The original plan for MP18I issue was for each company to have one submachine gun squad with six gunners armed with MP18I subguns and six ammunition cariers armed with G98 rifles. The squad had three handcarts to carry ammo and 2,500 rounds per subgun was the standard issue. The magazine boxes would have been carried on the handcarts. Since LP08 pistols were generally issued to persons whose duties made it impractical to carry a K98a or G98, I doubt there were very many men armed with an LP08 who carried around a box full of snail drum magazines.

01-03-2002, 02:45 PM	#11
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	MP 181 Hi Bill, Since over 725,000 snail drums were produced starting in 1917, they had to be distributed by some means -- thus the snail drum box. There had to be a way to get these to the front and to Artillery crews. A 1917 LP08 manuel shows the drums, loader, canvas carriers, and the box. Since the MP181 did not come into use until the near end of WWI, I'm sure these boxes were used for the MP181 also, but they were used for the artillery Lugers mainly.

01-03-2002, 02:49 PM	#12
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Box Hi John, The box was bought seperately, (empty) and the drums and tool added. The canvas carrier was with the box, but bought seperately.

01-03-2002, 03:00 PM	#13
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Re: MP 181 Bill M.: Since you reference the LP08 manual with photos of the box, you are unquestionably correct. I learn something new every day. Regards, Bill U.

01-03-2002, 03:15 PM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	What a neat Luger history lesson Thanks agai

01-03-2002, 08:12 PM	#15
Jim Shepherd Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Bill Munis' snail drum mags box - exterior I'm not a luger collector (yet), but even I can appreciate the fantastic things in the two pictures.

01-03-2002, 09:46 PM	#16
Leo Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Bill Munis' snail drum mags box - exterior Bill.truly appreciate you sharing your treasure with the forum.....makes me wonder just what other treasures are out there in Forum land.....maybe Doc should run a "show and tell once a month.....just a suggestion........Leo

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Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I love the way people are quick to volunteer my time..

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Leo Guest Posts: n/a	Re: I love the way people are quick to volunteer my time.. Hey Dok....your the best,but what I was infering to was that the members donate some shots and info on thier most coveted treasures........Leo

01-04-2002, 06:46 PM	#19
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Really Outstanding Bill..!!! On the cover and the front view - there is a large "P." - any idea if that mark is original or what it designates?? Really a terrific collectible (as well as the Drum mags and accessories you have assembled..!!). Thanks for showing it to us!!!...

01-04-2002, 09:00 PM	#20
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Really Outstanding Bill..!!! Hi John, Yes, the P is original in both places and I was told represents "ammo" -- That is about all I know about it. Of the 4 that I know of, I think they are all of different manufactures, with different style hinges and handles, but basically the same box as to size and width and construction. All of them have the "P" on them, but are of different styles and size, but in the same places. Mine is marked inside with a stamp of somekind which I can not make out and 18, which I take to be the year of manufacture. There was only one known up until last year when 3 were found in Germany, and thought to come from an Eastern Block country and actually bought at a plea market and then taken to Germany to a gun show. The one in all the books is in Belgium. Anyway, I'm glad to share it with you guys and hope you enjoy it. The canvas carrier is also a really hard and seldom ever seen accessory also.