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Rick W. · 09-05-2011, 11:03 PM

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Rootshot · 09-06-2011, 08:30 PM

The JP Jpoint sight is very compact, super light, and has a number of pistol mounts available (http://www.jprifles.com/1.6.1a.php).

If you are doing a custom artillery-type barrel, I would set a short (2") picatinny rail where the rear sight customarily sits and place the sight on that. If you want lower profile and eliminate the rail, JP has a gunsmith mount that allows you to attach the sight directly to the barrel (http://www.eabco.com/store/index.php...t_version=true).

The Jpoint mounts will work with the Tasco Optima as well. If you are interested, I have a spare Optima sight.

--Rootshot

Olle · 09-07-2011, 12:57 PM

There's a lot of cheap red dots out there but if you want something extremely small, light and very good quality (but still affordable), try the Optima 2000: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TASCO-OPTIMA...item56434b9a0c

I have one of these on my Beretta 92FS, and it's about as small as they come. It's a discontinued model that can be found dirt cheap, but it's the grandfather of the Docter sights and in my opinion just as well built as anything out there. I have had mine for about 10 years, and it has never failed. You buy the mount separately, but I believe JPoint sights are an exact copy and the mounts should also fit on the Optima: http://www.jprifles.com/1.6.1a.php

alanint · 10-10-2011, 10:19 AM

Rather than bond the sight to the frame flat, would casting a metallic left grip, which you could actually screw the sight base into be a more stable and permanent platform?

Ron Wood · 10-10-2011, 11:37 AM

Man, I can see it now! An aluminum grip with a scope mount and a shallow panel milled out on the side for an exotic wood insert, perhaps some sequins and LEDs (well OK, maybe stop with the wood inlay

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alanint · 10-10-2011, 01:03 PM

I'm just thinking there is really no way to bond anything reliably to the frame flat without ruining the finish and without it eventually coming off under recoil or poor handling/storage. I suppose you could drill into the frame flat if ruining the frame is not an issue.
A purpose made grip would solve your problem without altering the gun..

I don't know, Ron....I kinda like the LED idea!

Ice · 10-10-2011, 06:29 PM

Actually, I had a pistol grip with an extension that holds a scope. It's for my Colt 1911. It worked pretty good as long as the scope was lightweight. Quit using it because I prefer iron sights.

Charlie

John Sabato · 10-11-2011, 01:29 PM

Sounds like the grips on the "Man from U.N.C.L.E" TV series P-38...

The scope mount dovetail is clearly seen on the right grip... the grips WERE made of cast metal, probably aluminum.

How about using the dovetail on an artillery model barrel to mount your Reddot sight? Do you think it would take the pounding of the slide movement?

RAY1946 · 06-23-2012, 01:47 PM

I have a red-dot sight on my .22 target pistol and it works grreat! Another device that works just as great for me is the tri-focal glasses I wear. About 3 years ago I got back into music and found that regular bi-focals would just not cut it because the music was in a middle zone; too close for the top lens and too far away for the bottom lens.

At first I thought thats it for the music, only to find out that most of those in the band were wearing tri-focals and could see very well. After aquiring new glasses with that 3rd lens, I realized an added benefit was that I could see the front and rear sights very sharply and could define evn small targets out to possibly 40 yds or so. Today I can shoot bulls-eye slow-fire at 50 yds and get as good results as I can with a Red-Dot!

I am not ashamed to say that I turned 66 earlier this month and that with the tri-focals I can see probably as good as I could 20 years ago....................................RayT

John Sabato · 06-25-2012, 12:37 PM

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Just my personal preference. Like my hating mayonnaise on BLT subs. I like oil."

Hey Rich... try Miracle Whip... MUCH better than Mayonnaise! on BLT subs...

Blastattack · 09-03-2012, 04:00 AM

Just to re-ignite this thread with some scoped pics.

I'm currently in the process of re-barreling a target Luger, built on a re-blued 20s commercial, and am toying with the idea of machining a barrel that would accept an Ultra dot. Not quite sure how it would mount, but I'm not quite there yet anyways.

Blastattack · 09-15-2012, 10:33 AM

That is very interesting. I can't imagine the sight is very happy about being violently launched around though. It would be interesting to see how well sich a setup works, and how long the sight lasts for. I'm going to save and re-post these images if you don't mind. Gunbroker likes to purge all the fun stuff.

Blastattack · 09-15-2012, 10:38 AM

Uploaded for permanence.

GySgt1811 · 09-15-2012, 12:57 PM

This may be a really doofus question; but, how does one properly coque the piece - jerk on the sight?

John

Blastattack · 09-15-2012, 06:31 PM

Stick your fingers in the holes on the toggle? Beats me.

tain669 · 05-03-2013, 12:01 AM

Hi there, How are you coming along with this scope mount for the Luger? I'd be interested in getting one from you. Thanks. Resp George

tain669 · 05-06-2013, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick W.

Just a few picts to show some ideas on a Luger optics mount. I am trying to utilize the flat on the left side of the frame to which the steel section of the mount is to be bonded. The basic idea here is to keep the sight off the moving barrel/toggle areas and to take advantage of a left master eye.

Many ideas have gone by the wayside here in concept of design, but had to start somewhere. Over the years in another type of design business, I found that designs are often iterations.

The aluminum section with the modded Weaver mount is removeable from the pistol as an attempt to improve later the aluminum mount section. The mount is offset to the left and forward some for consideration of charging the pistol and keeping the red dot out of the blast some.

The aluminum mount is attached to the steel support block via two 10x32 screws and two alignment pins. I have thought some about machining alignment v-slots for repetition concepts, but first things first. First attempt in prototyping is surely simplistic but hopefully used as a testbed for improvements.

Hopefully at 25yds it will work ok if it stays on the pistol with the super adhesives, if not, perhaps a reinforcing shim under the flat and drill/tap like the old days.

Please pardon the junk on the table top.

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Hi there, Would like to have more info on this mount and maybe get one from you. Thanks. George

09-05-2011, 11:03 PM	#1
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10-10-2011, 11:37 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Man, I can see it now! An aluminum grip with a scope mount and a shallow panel milled out on the side for an exotic wood insert, perhaps some sequins and LEDs (well OK, maybe stop with the wood inlay ) __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-11-2011, 01:29 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Sounds like the grips on the "Man from U.N.C.L.E" TV series P-38... The scope mount dovetail is clearly seen on the right grip... the grips WERE made of cast metal, probably aluminum. How about using the dovetail on an artillery model barrel to mount your Reddot sight? Do you think it would take the pounding of the slide movement? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-23-2012, 01:47 PM	#9
RAY1946 User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 77 Thanks: 178 Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts	red-dots I have a red-dot sight on my .22 target pistol and it works grreat! Another device that works just as great for me is the tri-focal glasses I wear. About 3 years ago I got back into music and found that regular bi-focals would just not cut it because the music was in a middle zone; too close for the top lens and too far away for the bottom lens. At first I thought thats it for the music, only to find out that most of those in the band were wearing tri-focals and could see very well. After aquiring new glasses with that 3rd lens, I realized an added benefit was that I could see the front and rear sights very sharply and could define evn small targets out to possibly 40 yds or so. Today I can shoot bulls-eye slow-fire at 50 yds and get as good results as I can with a Red-Dot! I am not ashamed to say that I turned 66 earlier this month and that with the tri-focals I can see probably as good as I could 20 years ago....................................RayT

09-03-2012, 04:00 AM	#11
Blastattack User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Calgary AB Posts: 44 Thanks: 8 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Just to re-ignite this thread with some scoped pics. I'm currently in the process of re-barreling a target Luger, built on a re-blued 20s commercial, and am toying with the idea of machining a barrel that would accept an Ultra dot. Not quite sure how it would mount, but I'm not quite there yet anyways. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

09-06-2011, 08:30 PM	#2
Rootshot User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: California Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	The JP Jpoint sight is very compact, super light, and has a number of pistol mounts available (http://www.jprifles.com/1.6.1a.php). If you are doing a custom artillery-type barrel, I would set a short (2") picatinny rail where the rear sight customarily sits and place the sight on that. If you want lower profile and eliminate the rail, JP has a gunsmith mount that allows you to attach the sight directly to the barrel (http://www.eabco.com/store/index.php...t_version=true). The Jpoint mounts will work with the Tasco Optima as well. If you are interested, I have a spare Optima sight. --Rootshot

09-07-2011, 12:57 PM	#3
Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 663 Times in 318 Posts	There's a lot of cheap red dots out there but if you want something extremely small, light and very good quality (but still affordable), try the Optima 2000: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TASCO-OPTIMA...item56434b9a0c I have one of these on my Beretta 92FS, and it's about as small as they come. It's a discontinued model that can be found dirt cheap, but it's the grandfather of the Docter sights and in my opinion just as well built as anything out there. I have had mine for about 10 years, and it has never failed. You buy the mount separately, but I believe JPoint sights are an exact copy and the mounts should also fit on the Optima: http://www.jprifles.com/1.6.1a.php

10-10-2011, 10:19 AM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Rather than bond the sight to the frame flat, would casting a metallic left grip, which you could actually screw the sight base into be a more stable and permanent platform?

10-10-2011, 01:03 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I'm just thinking there is really no way to bond anything reliably to the frame flat without ruining the finish and without it eventually coming off under recoil or poor handling/storage. I suppose you could drill into the frame flat if ruining the frame is not an issue. A purpose made grip would solve your problem without altering the gun.. I don't know, Ron....I kinda like the LED idea!

10-10-2011, 06:29 PM	#7
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	Actually, I had a pistol grip with an extension that holds a scope. It's for my Colt 1911. It worked pretty good as long as the scope was lightweight. Quit using it because I prefer iron sights. Charlie

09-15-2012, 10:33 AM	#12
Blastattack User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Calgary AB Posts: 44 Thanks: 8 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	That is very interesting. I can't imagine the sight is very happy about being violently launched around though. It would be interesting to see how well sich a setup works, and how long the sight lasts for. I'm going to save and re-post these images if you don't mind. Gunbroker likes to purge all the fun stuff.

09-15-2012, 10:38 AM	#13
Blastattack User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Calgary AB Posts: 44 Thanks: 8 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Uploaded for permanence. Attached Thumbnails

09-15-2012, 12:57 PM	#14
GySgt1811 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 237 Thanks: 1,238 Thanked 126 Times in 84 Posts	Toggle mounted sight This may be a really doofus question; but, how does one properly coque the piece - jerk on the sight? John

09-15-2012, 06:31 PM	#15
Blastattack User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Calgary AB Posts: 44 Thanks: 8 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Stick your fingers in the holes on the toggle? Beats me.

05-03-2013, 12:01 AM	#16
tain669 User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Los Angeles Calif Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi there, How are you coming along with this scope mount for the Luger? I'd be interested in getting one from you. Thanks. Resp George