Man Accidentally Shot At Gun Show

Arizona Slim · 12-06-2015, 11:39 AM

Although rare it still happens. According to an AP article in this mornings paper "A man at a gun show in Phoenix was accidentally shot Saturday at a gun show at the Arizona State Fairgrounds by his friend that had recently purchased a semi-automatic hand gun when it discharged. His injuries are said not to be life-threatening but did enter his upper torso." It seems to me that it should be a requirement that all semi-automatic handguns should have a zip tie through the barrel and out the chamber to ensure that they don't have a round left after removal of the magazine.

Lon

calibrator · 12-06-2015, 12:13 PM

A local News Babe was heard to say; "the pistol was an antique". Yesterday, there was an EMT from the scene posting on a local Gun Forum that the round was a 7.62X28. The Shooter had just purchased the pistol, and it was his friend that was shot.

We were walking to the entrance when the Fire Dept responded. There was no indication that anything had happened. We talked to many vendors in that building, and not one alluded to the incident. I didn't realize it happened until I got home and visited said Forum.

This was not the 1st ND at a PHX area Gun Show. Locals have dubbed the other as "The Helicopter Lady" incident.

alvin · 12-09-2015, 06:58 PM

Operated the gun too carelessly. If followed safety rules, this should never happen.

Arizona Slim · 12-09-2015, 09:16 PM

Agree completely Alvin. Seems to be a very common mistake people make with semi-auto's, they assume that if the mag is removed the gun is empty. While both the buyer and seller made the assumption that the pistol was empty I believe the seller should bear a slightly larger share of the blame, but then again he isn't the one that pulled the trigger.

Lon

Edward Tinker · 12-10-2015, 12:12 AM

At most gun shows I have set up, it is required to have a zip tie

This sure sounds like a owner who loaded it after buying, just sounds that way to me...

policeluger · 12-10-2015, 02:37 AM

years ago when handed a p38 to look at, as I pulled the mag out, saw that it was loaded,chamber was cleared, the vendor had carried it to the show as a protection weapon and had put it on the table for sale, needless to say the was a public uproar.....

Sergio Natali · 12-10-2015, 03:17 AM

Not long ago I was at a gushop and the armourer was talking to me while he was putting away a gun that somebody had just left for sale, then found that the gun had been left there fully loaded!

DonVoigt · 12-10-2015, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Not long ago I was at a gushop and the armourer was talking to me while he was putting away a gun that somebody had just left for sale, then found that the gun had been left there fully loaded!

Happens all the time at my local shop; people are idiots.

The gun at the show was likely told to be "un-loaded"; everyone knows that only un-loaded guns have "accidental" discharges.

MikeP · 12-12-2015, 09:52 AM

No such thing as an accidental discharge.
All are negligent discharges.
I have not been to a show in a long time that did not require wire ties.
I have witnessed 4 ADs in my lifetime at gunshows, no injuries, but the fools had to pack up and leave.
All 20+ years ago.

Mac Cat · 12-12-2015, 01:03 PM

Nobody uses zip ties any longer in my part Texas. Not even at the gun shows. I would think that insurance would compel them to make it a policy, but I haven't seen any evidence of that. All the weapons in the stores, pawn shops, and shows are ready to fire. I've even seen people dry fire pistols.

wlyon · 12-12-2015, 01:09 PM

In Montana zip ties are required on all table weapons and all brought in. Not 100 percent secure but better than none." It is hard to fix stupid". Bill

Curly1 · 12-12-2015, 01:38 PM

+1 ^^^ Same here and peeps holding the show check each table before the doors open.

Sergio Natali · 12-12-2015, 01:56 PM

I must agre with Mike, "accidental discharges" don't exist.
All are negligent discharges. and they happen everywhere unfortunately.

Dick Herman · 12-12-2015, 02:28 PM

The Houston Gun Collectors Association hosts the oldest and largest gun show in Texas. The HGCA has required zip ties on all firearms for many years. All of the public customers have their guns checked on admission and are tied. In fact, they may be one of the first shows in the country to require the use of ties. The HGCA also utilizes block captains to check the tables and customers for compliance.

Over the years there have been pistol discharges usual on setup day by dealers. Stupid lack of safety protocol by people that should know better.

K.Wilhelm · 12-16-2015, 04:57 PM

These incidents continue to happen way too frequently. Also, if someone forgets to follow all the other rules of gun safety at least they should always remember never to point a firearm at something they don't want to destroy. Bill

lugerholsterrepair · 12-16-2015, 08:07 PM

Dick, The Houston Gun Collectors Association also does not allow the sale of ANY ammunition does it?

Dick Herman · 12-16-2015, 08:23 PM

There were many years that live ammo was not allowed at the HGCA shows. A few years ago the HGCA has allowed the sale of ammo at their shows. However, all new ammo must be in sealed containers and loose collectors ammo must be under glass. Unlike many shows, there are no loose or open rounds on any tables.

Mac Cat · 12-16-2015, 11:46 PM

SAXET (Yes, TEXAS spelled backwards) is our central Texas gun show host. I love the shows and I buy stuff there, but they are very careless in so many ways - ammo everywhere, too. But, even worse, unattended tables ! Vendors will walk off to visit or take a break and ask a neighbor to watch their table ?

But, like I said, I blame the city of Austin and Travis country, which stopped allowing guns shows in the county facility.

alanint · 12-17-2015, 10:47 AM

Simply walking a South Florida gun show will almost make you a gun control advocate.

Pistole+Parabellum · 12-25-2015, 06:14 PM

next show i'm going to i'm going to wear my vest!!! lol...

12-06-2015, 11:39 AM	#1
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Man Accidentally Shot At Gun Show Although rare it still happens. According to an AP article in this mornings paper "A man at a gun show in Phoenix was accidentally shot Saturday at a gun show at the Arizona State Fairgrounds by his friend that had recently purchased a semi-automatic hand gun when it discharged. His injuries are said not to be life-threatening but did enter his upper torso." It seems to me that it should be a requirement that all semi-automatic handguns should have a zip tie through the barrel and out the chamber to ensure that they don't have a round left after removal of the magazine. Lon

12-10-2015, 03:17 AM	#7
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Not long ago I was at a gushop and the armourer was talking to me while he was putting away a gun that somebody had just left for sale, then found that the gun had been left there fully loaded! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

12-12-2015, 01:09 PM	#11
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	In Montana zip ties are required on all table weapons and all brought in. Not 100 percent secure but better than none." It is hard to fix stupid". Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

12-12-2015, 01:38 PM	#12
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 117 Thanked 714 Times in 371 Posts	+1 ^^^ Same here and peeps holding the show check each table before the doors open. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

12-12-2015, 01:56 PM	#13
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I must agre with Mike, "accidental discharges" don't exist. All are negligent discharges. and they happen everywhere unfortunately. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

12-06-2015, 12:13 PM	#2
calibrator User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cave Creek Posts: 315 Thanks: 55 Thanked 242 Times in 92 Posts	A local News Babe was heard to say; "the pistol was an antique". Yesterday, there was an EMT from the scene posting on a local Gun Forum that the round was a 7.62X28. The Shooter had just purchased the pistol, and it was his friend that was shot. We were walking to the entrance when the Fire Dept responded. There was no indication that anything had happened. We talked to many vendors in that building, and not one alluded to the incident. I didn't realize it happened until I got home and visited said Forum. This was not the 1st ND at a PHX area Gun Show. Locals have dubbed the other as "The Helicopter Lady" incident.

12-09-2015, 06:58 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Operated the gun too carelessly. If followed safety rules, this should never happen.

12-09-2015, 09:16 PM	#4
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Agree completely Alvin. Seems to be a very common mistake people make with semi-auto's, they assume that if the mag is removed the gun is empty. While both the buyer and seller made the assumption that the pistol was empty I believe the seller should bear a slightly larger share of the blame, but then again he isn't the one that pulled the trigger. Lon

12-10-2015, 12:12 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,930 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	At most gun shows I have set up, it is required to have a zip tie This sure sounds like a owner who loaded it after buying, just sounds that way to me...

12-10-2015, 02:37 AM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	years ago when handed a p38 to look at, as I pulled the mag out, saw that it was loaded,chamber was cleared, the vendor had carried it to the show as a protection weapon and had put it on the table for sale, needless to say the was a public uproar.....

12-12-2015, 09:52 AM	#9
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	No such thing as an accidental discharge. All are negligent discharges. I have not been to a show in a long time that did not require wire ties. I have witnessed 4 ADs in my lifetime at gunshows, no injuries, but the fools had to pack up and leave. All 20+ years ago.

12-12-2015, 01:03 PM	#10
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 725 Thanks: 2,089 Thanked 606 Times in 327 Posts	Nobody uses zip ties any longer in my part Texas. Not even at the gun shows. I would think that insurance would compel them to make it a policy, but I haven't seen any evidence of that. All the weapons in the stores, pawn shops, and shows are ready to fire. I've even seen people dry fire pistols.

12-12-2015, 02:28 PM	#14
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	The Houston Gun Collectors Association hosts the oldest and largest gun show in Texas. The HGCA has required zip ties on all firearms for many years. All of the public customers have their guns checked on admission and are tied. In fact, they may be one of the first shows in the country to require the use of ties. The HGCA also utilizes block captains to check the tables and customers for compliance. Over the years there have been pistol discharges usual on setup day by dealers. Stupid lack of safety protocol by people that should know better.

12-16-2015, 04:57 PM	#15
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	These incidents continue to happen way too frequently. Also, if someone forgets to follow all the other rules of gun safety at least they should always remember never to point a firearm at something they don't want to destroy. Bill __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group

12-16-2015, 08:07 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Dick, The Houston Gun Collectors Association also does not allow the sale of ANY ammunition does it? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-16-2015, 08:23 PM	#17
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	There were many years that live ammo was not allowed at the HGCA shows. A few years ago the HGCA has allowed the sale of ammo at their shows. However, all new ammo must be in sealed containers and loose collectors ammo must be under glass. Unlike many shows, there are no loose or open rounds on any tables.

12-16-2015, 11:46 PM	#18
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 725 Thanks: 2,089 Thanked 606 Times in 327 Posts	SAXET (Yes, TEXAS spelled backwards) is our central Texas gun show host. I love the shows and I buy stuff there, but they are very careless in so many ways - ammo everywhere, too. But, even worse, unattended tables ! Vendors will walk off to visit or take a break and ask a neighbor to watch their table ? But, like I said, I blame the city of Austin and Travis country, which stopped allowing guns shows in the county facility.

12-17-2015, 10:47 AM	#19
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Simply walking a South Florida gun show will almost make you a gun control advocate.

12-25-2015, 06:14 PM	#20
Pistole+Parabellum User Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 59 Thanks: 236 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	next show i'm going to i'm going to wear my vest!!! lol...