proud owner of a new old Luger need help.

vstrom · 03-24-2011, 11:16 PM

Hello: thanks for your help!
I acquired from an old friend a Luger of unknown manufacture( to me at least) I have searched the internet and purchased a couple of books on the Luger but I cannot find any information so here goes.
There are just 3 markings on the frame I can see, trust me I looked very thoroughly . 1 what looks to be a "F" in script on the top[ of the frame. 2 a serial #38XX on the front of the frame. 3 on the back of the frame ia a small indented circle with a triangle with what looks like a small bar under the triangle it is very hard to see even with magnification. that's all I can see on the frame.
The barrel is likely a replacement it is 99% blue and bite and shiny and has absolutely no markings at all. The toggle is marked DWM with all matching#s. The rest of the parts are not matching # trigger ect. Once more Thanks for your help!

wlyon · 03-24-2011, 11:47 PM

Welcome to the forum. In order to get an answer you will need to submit pictures. Clear pictures of all marks, barrel ,left and right side and top. With these I am sure you will get answers. Bill

John Sabato · 03-25-2011, 06:56 AM

Welcome Leo, and Bill is correct. Please submit some good quality photos of the areas he has described and the forum will be glad to help identify your Luger.

Based on your screen name, I assume you are a fellow motorcycle enthusiast... Probably mine is older than yours...

it is a 1983 Honda Nighthawk 650...

DavidJayUden · 03-25-2011, 07:25 AM

Vstrom (1000) or WeeStrom (650)?
dju

alanint · 03-25-2011, 07:54 AM

Welcome Vstrom!

2001 Harley Dina Wide Glide and 2007 V-Rod here..

ithacaartist · 03-25-2011, 09:34 AM

Woo-hoo! A chance to flash my other iron! '89 FXSTS!

ithacaartist · 03-25-2011, 09:35 AM

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000005215321

vstrom · 03-26-2011, 02:13 AM

I am also the proud owner of a Vstrom 650, 2007 and 20k on the clock. It has taken me on a lot of great trips! I will get some photos together and try and download then for further information.

saab-bob · 03-26-2011, 12:58 PM

Vstrom
I love riding as well. Still got the 1966 Triumph 650 Tiger. My dad bought it brand new and we still have it. Unrestored,runs great,always been taken care of.
I find it interesting that gun guys are usually into motorcycles,watches and cars.There must be a love of fine machinery gene.
Bob

vstrom · 03-27-2011, 08:05 PM

Here's the photos hope you can see everything you need, if not I will take more if needed! There are absolutely no marks of any type on the barrel.

I love old motorcycles especially old british ones I never have had one but I sure like there looks! I have given thought to a new Triumph~ We'll see. I love my WEE!
THANKS for your help!

Hugo Borchardt · 03-27-2011, 09:49 PM

Vstrom:

Welcome. Very interesting. For some reason the photos are tiny and I cannot make out details such as the mark on the back of the gun under the toggle. Grip safety, unrelieved sear, late toggle and no stock lug with 4 digit serial? My first guess is a 1906 contract or a parts gun - a custom job that has reblued, rebarrelled, and engraved with the owners initial above the toggle? The magazine looks like a later replacement. I like it. Will be interested to hear other comments on this one.

Clark

aptech77 · 03-27-2011, 10:38 PM

Welcome. Triumph fan here. Got me am '07 Speed Triple.

Ron Wood · 03-27-2011, 11:12 PM

Interesting Luger! Looks like it might have been rebarreled to 9mm. I am relatively certain that it is a 1906 Royal Portuguese Army that has had the "M2" chamber inscription removed and the "F" (probably the former owner's initial) engraved on it. The circle in triangle is a Portuguese acceptance mark (I believe I can see traces of the same mark on the left side of the receiver). Chances are pretty good that the extractor is marked "CARREGADA" on the left side.

vstrom · 03-28-2011, 07:23 PM

Thanks for your help! I reloaded the photos to a larger size. You were correct it has the marking "CARREGADA"on the ejector. And I added a photo of my Vstrom.

sheepherder · 04-23-2011, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato

...I assume you are a fellow motorcycle enthusiast... Probably mine is older than yours...

it is a 1983 Honda Nighthawk 650...

I got ya beat...1973 Honda CL450 Scrambler...

saab-bob · 04-23-2011, 11:51 PM

Vstrom & Postino
Nice bikes!
Here is my 1966 Triumph 650 Tiger

This pic is a few years old. I recently found a correct seat cover for it.

Rans great
Bob

DavidJayUden · 04-24-2011, 08:57 AM

Smooth grey top cover?
dju

Ron Smith · 04-24-2011, 09:10 AM

My '01 Road King Classic.

saab-bob · 04-24-2011, 09:22 AM

DJU
You know your old Triumphs!
The correct seat cover has a light grey top with black sides.
Bob

DavidJayUden · 04-24-2011, 10:18 AM

Bob:
I suspect that between you and I we could hijack this forum and rename it Old British Motorcycles.
Very nice bike, and I'm having trouble faulting it in any way.
I'm only 50 miles from Baxter's.
dju

03-24-2011, 11:16 PM	#1
vstrom User Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	proud owner of a new old Luger need help. Hello: thanks for your help! I acquired from an old friend a Luger of unknown manufacture( to me at least) I have searched the internet and purchased a couple of books on the Luger but I cannot find any information so here goes. There are just 3 markings on the frame I can see, trust me I looked very thoroughly . 1 what looks to be a "F" in script on the top[ of the frame. 2 a serial #38XX on the front of the frame. 3 on the back of the frame ia a small indented circle with a triangle with what looks like a small bar under the triangle it is very hard to see even with magnification. that's all I can see on the frame. The barrel is likely a replacement it is 99% blue and bite and shiny and has absolutely no markings at all. The toggle is marked DWM with all matching#s. The rest of the parts are not matching # trigger ect. Once more Thanks for your help!

03-24-2011, 11:47 PM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,522 Times in 940 Posts	Welcome to the forum. In order to get an answer you will need to submit pictures. Clear pictures of all marks, barrel ,left and right side and top. With these I am sure you will get answers. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

03-26-2011, 12:58 PM	#9
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Vstrom I love riding as well. Still got the 1966 Triumph 650 Tiger. My dad bought it brand new and we still have it. Unrestored,runs great,always been taken care of. I find it interesting that gun guys are usually into motorcycles,watches and cars.There must be a love of fine machinery gene. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

03-27-2011, 08:05 PM	#10
vstrom User Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger photos Here's the photos hope you can see everything you need, if not I will take more if needed! There are absolutely no marks of any type on the barrel. I love old motorcycles especially old british ones I never have had one but I sure like there looks! I have given thought to a new Triumph~ We'll see. I love my WEE! THANKS for your help! Attached Images

03-27-2011, 09:49 PM	#11
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 338 Thanked 131 Times in 47 Posts	Vstrom: Welcome. Very interesting. For some reason the photos are tiny and I cannot make out details such as the mark on the back of the gun under the toggle. Grip safety, unrelieved sear, late toggle and no stock lug with 4 digit serial? My first guess is a 1906 contract or a parts gun - a custom job that has reblued, rebarrelled, and engraved with the owners initial above the toggle? The magazine looks like a later replacement. I like it. Will be interested to hear other comments on this one. Clark __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm Last edited by Hugo Borchardt; 03-27-2011 at 10:13 PM. Reason: changed mind on id

03-25-2011, 06:56 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Welcome Leo, and Bill is correct. Please submit some good quality photos of the areas he has described and the forum will be glad to help identify your Luger. Based on your screen name, I assume you are a fellow motorcycle enthusiast... Probably mine is older than yours... it is a 1983 Honda Nighthawk 650... Attached Thumbnails __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-25-2011, 07:25 AM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Vstrom (1000) or WeeStrom (650)? dju

03-25-2011, 07:54 AM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Welcome Vstrom! 2001 Harley Dina Wide Glide and 2007 V-Rod here..

03-25-2011, 09:34 AM	#6
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,283 Thanks: 7,011 Thanked 2,478 Times in 1,320 Posts	Woo-hoo! A chance to flash my other iron! '89 FXSTS!

03-25-2011, 09:35 AM	#7
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,283 Thanks: 7,011 Thanked 2,478 Times in 1,320 Posts	http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000005215321

03-26-2011, 02:13 AM	#8
vstrom User Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am also the proud owner of a Vstrom 650, 2007 and 20k on the clock. It has taken me on a lot of great trips! I will get some photos together and try and download then for further information.

03-27-2011, 10:38 PM	#12
aptech77 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 85 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Welcome. Triumph fan here. Got me am '07 Speed Triple.

03-27-2011, 11:12 PM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Interesting Luger! Looks like it might have been rebarreled to 9mm. I am relatively certain that it is a 1906 Royal Portuguese Army that has had the "M2" chamber inscription removed and the "F" (probably the former owner's initial) engraved on it. The circle in triangle is a Portuguese acceptance mark (I believe I can see traces of the same mark on the left side of the receiver). Chances are pretty good that the extractor is marked "CARREGADA" on the left side. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-28-2011, 07:23 PM	#14
vstrom User Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for your help! I reloaded the photos to a larger size. You were correct it has the marking "CARREGADA"on the ejector. And I added a photo of my Vstrom. Attached Thumbnails

04-23-2011, 11:51 PM	#16
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Vstrom & Postino Nice bikes! Here is my 1966 Triumph 650 Tiger This pic is a few years old. I recently found a correct seat cover for it. Rans great Bob Attached Thumbnails __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

04-24-2011, 08:57 AM	#17
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Smooth grey top cover? dju

04-24-2011, 09:10 AM	#18
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	My '01 Road King Classic. Attached Thumbnails __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-24-2011, 09:22 AM	#19
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	DJU You know your old Triumphs! The correct seat cover has a light grey top with black sides. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

04-24-2011, 10:18 AM	#20
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Bob: I suspect that between you and I we could hijack this forum and rename it Old British Motorcycles. Very nice bike, and I'm having trouble faulting it in any way. I'm only 50 miles from Baxter's. dju