Russian ammo question

[Matt]

Wolf 9mm ammo is advertised in Shotgun News for $89.95 for 1000 rounds. I normally handload but have been thinking about trying some of this ammo, even though it's not reloadable. The biggest hassle of handloading is trying to find all of your brass after a shooting session. I sometimes lay a tarp out to catch the brass, but that doesn't work on a windy day. Has anyone tried the Russian ammo? Seems like I remember it being mentioned in a post awhile back.

[Ted]

Matt, Marvin just told me that his NON CORROSIVE WOLF AMMO, left rust in his AK-47, I now to go check mine to, FWIW! Ted

[Matt]

Thanks, Ted

I fired 30 rounds of NON CORROSIVE Wolf ammo through my AR15 today! I'm gonna go clean it now! Marvin, how bad did it rust?

[Bob Egan]

I have put thousands of rounds of Wolf ammo through my AK and SKS with out any problem except an occasional dud which will fire on a second attempt.Have not tried the 9MM though,wondered if it was suitable for a Luger.

I've used it in my MP5 with good results. And my MP5 is finiky about what I feed it. It nice not to have to "hunt" for the brass. I reload too but at these prices (for Wolf) it doesn't really pay.

[Freischütz]

I used Russian 9mm cartridges in my P7M8 with mixed results. First I used some cartridges with lacquered steel cases. I believe they were headstamped "TRW". They functioned well and were satisfactorily accurate.


Next I tried some unlacquered ammunition whose name I have unfortunately forgotten. Accuracy and extraction deteriorated. I could not keep 25 shots in a 5â?� diameter circle at 25 yds. But worse, I was unable to fire 2 magazines without a failure to extract. Usually there was one failure/magazine. The cartridges also left more gas system fouling than an commercial ammunition I tried.


This ammunition ended my P7â??s string of 5,127 rounds without any functioning failures, and consequently I regard it as unreliable for anything beyond â??plinkingâ?�.

[Marvin]

Matt,


I had been using the Chinese 7.62 x 39 in my AK-47 and I knew it was corrosive, so I cleaned accordingly; no problems.


I bought some of the Wolf ammo that was labeled as non-corrosive. After a nice firing session, I cleaned the bore and the pistol rod housing with Hoppe's #9 as a normal cleaning. On Sunday afternoon, I pulled the rifle out and was looking at it and decided to look at the bore. Hey, what is this crud in the bore? I pulled it down and inside the piston housing there was rust on the surfaces where the paint had come off. I immediatly inspected the bore closer and there was corrosion inside the barrel. I did a full cleaning with the old smelly GI stuff and you should have seen the crud come out of the barrel. Fortunantly, the bore is chrome lined so it did not damage it any.


This only makes me more aggrevated that I CANNOT believe anything the Russians say! The ammo is good, surefire, and resonably accurate for an AK, but I will clean the rifle from now on as if the ammo is corrosive. I have never used any other Russian stuff, so I don't know it will be like, but I don't trust the Russians with anything they have to say.


Marvin

[Mark M.]

Gruss Gott,Alle!

I have wondered about the Russian ammo

for a while,too.I have been told that the steel case ammo is far harder on the extracter than brass case.Is this true or merely another example of misinformation,which someone with my

limited experience falls victim to??

What were the cases of the original

9mm Luger made of?Since I'm far too

incompetent to load(reload) my own ammo,

I would be grateful for any information

regarding what others here have found to

be acceptable commercial brands.To date

my shooters (stainless AIMCO repros)

seem to like the 115gr. PMP (South African) the best of any I've tried.

However,it only shows up in fits and

spurts.I need to find something that is

available on a more consistent basis.

Until I hear differently,I think I'll

steer clear of the Wolf!I Know some of

my Walthers didn't like it.Mabybe they're just "finicky expensive guns",

but until I'm satisfied that the Wolf

is acceptable in all regards,I'm reluctant to expose any of my babies to

it.

Thanks in advance for any and all help

you in the Forum Volk can provide!


Tschuss! Mark M.

[G.T.]

I have also had misfires with wolf ammo! But it didn't connect untill I read about it here, on the forum! 1 box of 9mm, 1 misfire! I was stumped, as I heard the firing pin fall, and it didn't go....now I know! Also I have had short recoil problems with new stiffish AR's....about two or three rounds, then jam....run a box or two of PMC through it without a bobble, two rounds of wolf, ....Jam! till...later....G.T.

[Mark M.]

Gruss Gott,G.T.!

With regard to Wolf,I think you answered one of

my questions.The answer,as I read it is, "Don't

Buy!".Now I still have the other inquiries out

there.Do you find,as I think your message indicated,

that PMC is good,at least for "plinking"?After all,

that's really all I do with a P08.I carry Glock or

Beretta for a self-defense pistol.Although,I think

the successor to the Luger,the P38,would be of a

reliable enough nature to suffice.They will digest

even Wolf ammo(and anything else I've thrown at

them)!

However,my question now is,what ammo have you

found to be most servicable in the P08?I have to

find a good alternative to the elusive PMP South

African.All aid in this quest will be much

appreciated!Thanks!


Tschuss! Mark M.

[G.T.]

Hi Mark! I'm afraid that I don't shoot enough 9mm to make an accurate value judgement in that area.......I have shot thousands and thousands of PMC .223 rounds throught my AR's...when I was assembling AR's in the 70's and 80's, a real problem was getting high quality non-colt parts, and then trying to make them work in aftermarket receivers. It was a real problem even before you were forbidden to use military parts. (usually was the bolt carrier) My final function test became firing the rifle (into a suitable bullet stop) near vertical (buttstock up) while holding it by the pistol grip only....if it would fire 3 rounds of PMC and lock open...it was good for thousands of more rounds....I tried the wolf ammo out here in Arizona, and had to relearn the lessons I had forgot from South Dakota....they say the mind is the second thing to go! PMC is a great mid priced ammo....I have never had any problems with it! Best of luck, Mark, on your ammo quest! till...later...G.T.

[Mark M.]

THANKS,G.T!

We'll see how it goes.How is it that you don't

shoot much 9mm(Luger)?!Na,ja,wie dem auch sei!

Thanks again!I think I'll try the PMC 115gr. and

see if maybe these babes will take to it.


Tschuss! Mark M.

[G.T.]

Hi Mark, to be truthfull, my interest in shooting Lugers has never been greater then right now!....I have always been more of a collector then shooter, but that has changed since finding this forum! till...later...G.T.

[Ted]

Good news, once you fix the sights on that Navy you will have a ball with it!

[G.T.]

Hi Ted! It's almost, NO it is, too damn pretty to shoot! till...later...G.T.

[Ted]

GT, that is why we call them "Shooters" Repeat after me "We cna shoot this one" If I bang it up, We can Give Ted more work"

[Matt]

I'll pass on the case of Russian ammo. I may try a box though. If I do, I'll let you guys know how it shoots.