1941 P08 Mauser Found - Page 2

josef · 09-09-2004, 11:44 AM

Thanks Gentlemen, here are the pics of it cleaned up, minus the grips. It is fully matching including magazine marked "1". Sadly water had entered tha ammunition can which had deteriorated the exterior of the Luger more than expected. Still I think very nice find, with an SS ID tag and wrapped in an SS zeltbahn, I think is pretty exciting also. Will post pics of the whole piece assembled soon! Thanks again for looking!

John Sabato · 09-09-2004, 11:55 AM

josef, What is the second photo? the trigger guard is bent and the front sight is missing... is this a different Luger that was found at the same time?

Jan CZ · 09-09-2004, 12:17 PM

John, this was the photo for comparison how my first Luger looks like

) It was given to me by friend who dug it at the garden. It had some corrosion but frame and barrel looked much better outside. On the other hand it looks somebody was playing with the hammer - note the front side of the mag well...

Jan

the gunman · 09-09-2004, 01:03 PM

What A SAGA wonderful find .I to find objects like these to be incredible pieces of history. It it legal for one to keep such a piece in the czech republic ? If not sure hope this wonderfu relic does not wind up in the melting pot.

John Sabato · 09-09-2004, 01:37 PM

Too bad that this Luger wasn't rescued about 10 years ago... I'll bet the water damage is less than 10 years old... Those old ammo cans are pretty decent air-tight storage unless they rust through...

What will happen to this gun josef? will your friend have to turn it in, or can he legally keep it?

...also what condition is the bore? Do you think it could be safely shot? Not that I would... I think I would mount this baby on a walnut plaque and retire it permanently as a reminder of WW2.

Ron Smith · 09-09-2004, 01:54 PM

Josef, My guess would be that someone de-milled the Luger in the second photo. Rendering it unusable. You can't load it, and you can't fire it. BTW I envy your battlefield searches. One of my dreams since I was very young. We went "Boony Stompin'" on Guam, for war relics. We ran across a cache of corroded Japanese artillery shells. Got scared and quit.

Ron
To all members; I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to those I may have offended with my angry outburst on the forum the other day. Politics is not, and never will be my forte. I just have a tremendous amount of respect for John Kerry, for his service. Been there, done that. That is the only point I wanted to make. I am neither, flamming Liberal nor an ardent conservative. I am just an old loyal Vietnam Vet.
Enough said... Ron

lugerholsterrepair · 09-09-2004, 02:35 PM

I'm Shocked! Respect? Ron you surprise me. Jerry Burney

John D. · 09-09-2004, 02:37 PM

Jan and Josef....

This thread is absolutely AMAZING!!! Like Ron - this has always been a fantasy of mine. I don't think I'm alone in that... In the General Discussion area, so not to interrupt this thread - I'd really appreciate as to how you even begin to look at various areas? Do you have to do research, or is it "by chance" that you find these artifacts?

Again - my congratulation!

John D.
(BTW: Ron - it take a person with principles and pride to post an apology. I respect that and your doing so. My thanks for that... Now back to finding these time-capsules in history..!)

John D. · 09-09-2004, 02:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lugerholsterrepair:
....Ron you surprise me. J....<hr /></blockquote>Psssst?? Hey guys - not in this thread - PLEASE!!! If you'd like - you can start a new thread in the General area regarding VETS and such... Thanks..!!!!

Ron Smith · 09-09-2004, 07:02 PM

John, No worries, we are friends. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Ron

Edward Tinker · 09-09-2004, 07:12 PM

I have a couple of stories saved on my home hard drive about a couple of groups that have found items, if I remember, or you send me an e-mail, I will forward them to you. There are several Belgium guys that do this, have found US and German remains and have turned them over to the appropriate gov't for proper burial. Very interesting reading.

Ed

ratdog · 09-09-2004, 08:07 PM

Looks like a pitted paperweight to me, no significant value whatsoever!!! .................Bruce

Russ · 09-09-2004, 08:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ratdog:
Looks like a pitted paperweight to me, no significant value whatsoever!!! .................Bruce<hr /></blockquote>It is a peice of history! I would realy like to have found it for my collection. VERY SIGNIFICANT

Russ

the gunman · 09-09-2004, 09:15 PM

Agree with russ a very significant piece of history. One that should be treasured. I sure wish it were in my
humble collection

Edward Tinker · 09-09-2004, 09:27 PM

Money / value isn't everything... But that is what is interesting about collecting, you and me like different things <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

John D. · 09-09-2004, 10:05 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ratdog:
Looks like a pitted paperweight to me, no significant value whatsoever!!! .................Bruce<hr /></blockquote>Well - what is one person's trash is another person's treasure. If I did the research, dug this out of a hole in the ground - and knowing it hadn't been touched for 60 odd years - it would be my treasure as well... While I have a lot of Lugers that are not "trash" - this one would find a not-so-insignificant place in my collection. Ergo the difference in "collecting".

Some do it for the value of the paperweight, and can't see beyond the immediate return - while other's look at the "value" of what's invested in authoring what is written on the paper itself....

There are two ends of a telescope. I prefer to look at things from both ends.....

Not a flame - just my $0.0002.

John D.

John Sabato · 09-10-2004, 08:40 AM

It would have a place in my gunsafe ANYTIME...

I would love to trace the soldier whose identity disk was found nearby and see if he is still alive and if so, what the story was behind burying this gun and these ammo cans...

Frank · 09-10-2004, 09:20 AM

John D.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> There are two ends of a telescope. I prefer to look at things from both ends.....

<hr /></blockquote>When you do that, do you just see yourself??? Is the telescope flexible?? Is it also called a binocular???

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

minigun · 09-10-2004, 09:28 AM

So what happened to the wood grips to it? Did they corrode very badly?

It's hard to believe that this Luger was smoothered in greese and it still corroded. How can that be? How did the moisture get past the greese?

Also, I'd be interested to know too on how you find a sight to search? Do you research the place first or do you know by living in the area where things could be?

Thanks

josef · 09-10-2004, 10:25 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ratdog:
Looks like a pitted paperweight to me, no significant value whatsoever!!! .................Bruce<hr /></blockquote>Thanks Bruce for the honest comments, seriously. There are always those who cannot appreciate the historical significance of such a find, and cannot understand the feeling of having found such an item themselves. No flame here, but I feel fortunate to have handled such an item I have just recovered, knowing the last time it was likely touched or utilized was by the last original owner, a representative of one of our most greatest and tragic conficts of world history. That is what I hold in awe and respect; it is not a piece that has been through a thousand hands postwar, dealers, ect... but a direct link to the last owner. I appreciate your input and thank you for it nonetheless.

Joe

09-09-2004, 11:55 AM	#22
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	josef, What is the second photo? the trigger guard is bent and the front sight is missing... is this a different Luger that was found at the same time? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-09-2004, 01:37 PM	#25
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Too bad that this Luger wasn't rescued about 10 years ago... I'll bet the water damage is less than 10 years old... Those old ammo cans are pretty decent air-tight storage unless they rust through... What will happen to this gun josef? will your friend have to turn it in, or can he legally keep it? ...also what condition is the bore? Do you think it could be safely shot? Not that I would... I think I would mount this baby on a walnut plaque and retire it permanently as a reminder of WW2. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-09-2004, 01:54 PM	#26
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Josef, My guess would be that someone de-milled the Luger in the second photo. Rendering it unusable. You can't load it, and you can't fire it. BTW I envy your battlefield searches. One of my dreams since I was very young. We went "Boony Stompin'" on Guam, for war relics. We ran across a cache of corroded Japanese artillery shells. Got scared and quit. Ron To all members; I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to those I may have offended with my angry outburst on the forum the other day. Politics is not, and never will be my forte. I just have a tremendous amount of respect for John Kerry, for his service. Been there, done that. That is the only point I wanted to make. I am neither, flamming Liberal nor an ardent conservative. I am just an old loyal Vietnam Vet. Enough said... Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-09-2004, 02:35 PM	#27
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	I'm Shocked! Respect? Ron you surprise me. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-09-2004, 02:39 PM	#29
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by lugerholsterrepair: <strong>....Ron you surprise me. J....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Psssst?? Hey guys - not in this thread - PLEASE!!! If you'd like - you can start a new thread in the General area regarding VETS and such... Thanks..!!!!

09-09-2004, 11:44 AM	#21
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks Gentlemen, here are the pics of it cleaned up, minus the grips. It is fully matching including magazine marked "1". Sadly water had entered tha ammunition can which had deteriorated the exterior of the Luger more than expected. Still I think very nice find, with an SS ID tag and wrapped in an SS zeltbahn, I think is pretty exciting also. Will post pics of the whole piece assembled soon! Thanks again for looking!

09-09-2004, 12:17 PM	#23
Jan CZ User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Czech republic Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John, this was the photo for comparison how my first Luger looks like ) It was given to me by friend who dug it at the garden. It had some corrosion but frame and barrel looked much better outside. On the other hand it looks somebody was playing with the hammer - note the front side of the mag well... Jan

09-09-2004, 01:03 PM	#24
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	What A SAGA wonderful find .I to find objects like these to be incredible pieces of history. It it legal for one to keep such a piece in the czech republic ? If not sure hope this wonderfu relic does not wind up in the melting pot.

09-09-2004, 02:37 PM	#28
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Jan and Josef.... This thread is absolutely AMAZING!!! Like Ron - this has always been a fantasy of mine. I don't think I'm alone in that... In the General Discussion area, so not to interrupt this thread - I'd really appreciate as to how you even begin to look at various areas? Do you have to do research, or is it "by chance" that you find these artifacts? Again - my congratulation! John D. (BTW: Ron - it take a person with principles and pride to post an apology. I respect that and your doing so. My thanks for that... Now back to finding these time-capsules in history..!)

09-09-2004, 07:02 PM	#30
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	John, No worries, we are friends. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-09-2004, 07:12 PM	#31
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	I have a couple of stories saved on my home hard drive about a couple of groups that have found items, if I remember, or you send me an e-mail, I will forward them to you. There are several Belgium guys that do this, have found US and German remains and have turned them over to the appropriate gov't for proper burial. Very interesting reading. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-09-2004, 08:07 PM	#32
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Looks like a pitted paperweight to me, no significant value whatsoever!!! .................Bruce

09-09-2004, 08:26 PM	#33
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by ratdog: <strong>Looks like a pitted paperweight to me, no significant value whatsoever!!! .................Bruce</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">It is a peice of history! I would realy like to have found it for my collection. VERY SIGNIFICANT Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

09-09-2004, 09:15 PM	#34
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Agree with russ a very significant piece of history. One that should be treasured. I sure wish it were in my humble collection

09-09-2004, 09:27 PM	#35
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Money / value isn't everything... But that is what is interesting about collecting, you and me like different things <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-09-2004, 10:05 PM	#36
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by ratdog: <strong>Looks like a pitted paperweight to me, no significant value whatsoever!!! .................Bruce</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Well - what is one person's trash is another person's treasure. If I did the research, dug this out of a hole in the ground - and knowing it hadn't been touched for 60 odd years - it would be my treasure as well... While I have a lot of Lugers that are not "trash" - this one would find a not-so-insignificant place in my collection. Ergo the difference in "collecting". Some do it for the value of the paperweight, and can't see beyond the immediate return - while other's look at the "value" of what's invested in authoring what is written on the paper itself.... There are two ends of a telescope. I prefer to look at things from both ends..... Not a flame - just my $0.0002. John D.

09-10-2004, 08:40 AM	#37
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	It would have a place in my gunsafe ANYTIME... I would love to trace the soldier whose identity disk was found nearby and see if he is still alive and if so, what the story was behind burying this gun and these ammo cans... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-10-2004, 09:20 AM	#38
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	John D. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> There are two ends of a telescope. I prefer to look at things from both ends..... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">When you do that, do you just see yourself??? Is the telescope flexible?? Is it also called a binocular??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

09-10-2004, 09:28 AM	#39
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts	So what happened to the wood grips to it? Did they corrode very badly? It's hard to believe that this Luger was smoothered in greese and it still corroded. How can that be? How did the moisture get past the greese? Also, I'd be interested to know too on how you find a sight to search? Do you research the place first or do you know by living in the area where things could be? Thanks

09-10-2004, 10:25 AM	#40
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by ratdog: <strong>Looks like a pitted paperweight to me, no significant value whatsoever!!! .................Bruce</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Thanks Bruce for the honest comments, seriously. There are always those who cannot appreciate the historical significance of such a find, and cannot understand the feeling of having found such an item themselves. No flame here, but I feel fortunate to have handled such an item I have just recovered, knowing the last time it was likely touched or utilized was by the last original owner, a representative of one of our most greatest and tragic conficts of world history. That is what I hold in awe and respect; it is not a piece that has been through a thousand hands postwar, dealers, ect... but a direct link to the last owner. I appreciate your input and thank you for it nonetheless. Joe