Advice on Luger purchase requested

[wterrell]

alex,

If the seller asked you to bring cash, also take the Dan Wesson.

[alex]

If I may clarify this issue. As I stated in my original post I am not a Luger collector. The details I relayed were provided to me by the seller, a friend of my Father's, and consequently I am not overly concerned with fraud or treachery. I simply decided to gather some feedback and information from the most readily available resource at my disposal...this forum which I discovered via an internet search.

I intended to examine the pistol, perhaps purchase it, and post pictures on this site to gain further info. If doing so provided some input of interest to your group, so much the better.

Thank you to those who have provided positive comments.

Regards, Alex

[Garfield]

Alex:

Good luck in your venture. You sound a bit put off. I am not certain what you expected from this forum. You solicited opinions from the members regarding the reasonablness of the price of a P08 that was being offered to you. Had you informed everyone up front that a friend of your father's, a person of impeccable character, was offering to sell you this fine pistol (based on info you supplied) at a ridiculously low price, then, perhaps some of the commments that were not positive in nature would not have been posted.

Be that as it may, you might have had the courtesy to also thank those of us who did not provide you with "positive comments". Life is not always about "positive comments", and, most certainly, luger collecting is not all about "positive comments. But then, since your purpose in contacting the forum was primarily self serving in nature.....

Viya con Dios,

P.S. As an after thought, don't buy this pistol; leave it for someone that would appreciate it.

[kenfromalaska]

[quote]Originally posted by alex:
<strong>Thank you to those who have provided positive comments.

Regards, Alex</strong><hr></blockquote>

Alex I lurk here a lot, there are several very knowledgeable decent guys here, you can see some of their responses, just ignore, as I would, will do and do, the nastier ones...

[wterrell]

alex,

My comments were given to tell you that the price quoted is a fantastic offer. Do not pass it up. I hope that you caught the humor.

But.....take a bottle of Jack Daniels and you may walk away with the pistol for $75 (or, possibly, you may have to use the Dan Wesson).

[alex]

Thanks Wes, your humor is appreciated. From what I know of my Father's friend, however, a single bottle of Jack would not impair his judgement much!

Regards, Alex

[hermit]

As a new mmember to this forum and also just recently taken an interest in possibly collecting lugers, I wonder just how interesting this forum would be without the "newbies" that come to post looking for information. It seems that with the relative anonymity of the internet things may be said to another that might not be said in person. In a situation--lets say a bar and this conversation came up the word fool may have sparked a more personal response. If the new fellow posts a question that cannot be answered, ask him to clarify his answer. I recently read another topic from an la reporter where he was treated similarly by some. Will he be back? I don't know. Maybe this could be avoided by having a private room for those that want it. Being rather new to the net itself this site is a pleasure to visit and have seen very few flames here. Alex if it is what it seems to be buy it and enjoy the hell out of it. I know I am with mine.

[kidvett]

Hi Hermit,

Just to let you know that if you want to talk about Lugers and share information with a fellow Canadian collector: I'm right here in Montreal, Quebec [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Regards,

kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

[Rjennings]

As the L.A. cameraman referred to in the last post, no I won't be posting again. I will ask, in private, the opionion of those on the forum, who will answer with no character assasination, an honest question. We "newbies" as we are called are trying to learn, otherwise we won't know what questions to ask. For Garfield, I now own $500.00 of books by real experts in the field. It is a shame we can't communicate without being nasty and derisive. No one likes to be called stupid or a fool. If we make mistakes, they are just that mistakes.

[kidvett]

Usually I dont get in discussions where strong opinions are debated but this time I'm in. I consider myself kind of new to Luger collecting ( a couple of years ). I'm no expert and I have the philosophy that there is something to learn in life everyday....

In collecting firearms over the years I came to the conclusion that sometimes we do good deals and sometimes bad ones. The newbie that has an opportunity on a pistol at a low price should get encouragement and advised about the important things to look for on the pistol from the experts ( long time collectors with a lot of knowledge ).

Last week, I asked opinions about a possible refinish on a 1940 Mauser ( see Machining Marks post ) The general opinion was that it had been refinished....so I sold it at a Gunshow last Sunday...I collect Original pistols and already have my shooters....

I sold that P-08 ( see PIC ) for $625.00 CDN ( make the conversion in USD...) Both parties happy!

Comments & Flaming welcomed on my sale!



kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

[Doubs]

[quote]Originally posted by kidvett:
<strong> I sold that P-08 ( see PIC ) for $625.00 CDN ( make the conversion in USD...) Both parties happy! Comments & Flaming welcomed on my sale!
kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img] </strong><hr></blockquote>

Kidvett, you've already said it all; Both parties happy! When that happens, it's a good deal. Touched up or not, it is still a nice looking pistol. The buyer should be pleased.

[John Sabato]

Sorry Kidvett,

but FLAMES are not invited...and should be avoided- see below.

[John Sabato]

Garfield.

Mistakes are one thing, but intentional 'Flames' are not permitted on any part of this forum. There is no justification for disrespectful or rude behavior. The fact that it is specifically spelled out at the heading of the New Members Discussion Forum that no flames are allowed is intended to put newcomers at ease, not open the door for someone to be rude or disrespectful elsewhere that a newcomer might happen to ask a question.

No one deserves the kind verbal abuse that you have doled out because you considered someone "fair game" and found it personally amusing. I doubt anyone else who posted to this thread found your comments mildly entertaining.

The Lugerforum is not about games. It is about the civilized and respectful discussion of the Luger pistol... between civilized and respectful people, both newcomers and old-timers, who have an interest in this subject. You and I have had this conversation off-line before. I would have thought that a second time would not be necessary...and you have proven me wrong.

You are considered by some to be a very knowledgeable Luger collector...but if your participation on this forum is strictly about your personal amusement or aggrandizement (or is that what you have just termed "self-serving"?) ...and not about sharing your long-term knowledge with those less informed (those who you have so pleasantly termed 'ignorant'), then perhaps it is time that you should consider going elsewhere... How long ago was it that you considered yourself to be 'ignorant' when it came to Luger pistols? I am sure you wouldn't have appreciated being treated in the manner illustrated in this thread.

Despite past communications, I have found your techical expertise on the Luger valuable... I have frequently overlooked some of your previous posts because they were marginal about the rules and I didn't want to nitpick, but techical or historical information at such a high cost is no bargain.

I don't think that I can be any more clear than this. We have rules... if you can't color inside the lines, then you need to find another place to use your crayons... Additional destructive Graffiti simply will not be tolerated here on the Lugerforum.

To Hermit, Rjennings and Alex, I offer my apologies on behalf of the forum.

John Sabato
Site Moderator

[Edward Tinker]

Rjennings, Hermit and Alex,

Please stay with us, and if you want to bull around mailto:66mustang@palouse.com66mustang@palouse.com</a> that is always cool.

Some of the old buzzards on the forum speak their mind and forget that they were young. I'm in-between, fairly new to collecting Lugers, yet have had a couple for the last 15 years, but really got into it the last year. (Ask the wife...)

Remember, that freedom of speech goes both ways, that flaming shouldn't be encouraged but those that lurk have as much right to say and as much to learn from as those old wrinkled buzzards (who might be 26 years old) and have forgotten that collecting brings all types. They were burnt once or twice and I think they push their feelings onto you because they want to help. If they didn't post, we'd all miss out, just tell them they are being jerks and you aren't an idiot, just don't know squat about Lugers. Last fall a very knowledgable Colt collector came around and asked some pretty basic questions on Lugers. He said he was a newbie but also knew collecting. Dumb questions might be irritating to those that have been around a long time, but then they should just ignore those questions and let the in-betweeners take a stab at it.

My six cents, I'm in Puerto Rico this week, so speak loud to me.... [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

[Garfield]

Obviously the rule against flaming does not apply to Moderators.

[John D.]

[quote]Originally posted by Garfield:
<strong>Obviously the rule against flaming does not apply to Moderators.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mr. Garrison,

At last. you acknowledge there are rules against Flaming? Thank you for that recognition. However, could I ask when you had this sudden and recent realization? Certainly it must have occurred sometime between your previous posts in this thread, and this most recent post of yours?

Oh - and feel free to "Flame" me back, Bill. I would look forward to the opportunity to treat you, as you seem so capable and willing to treat others in a public forum and format. However, you may be at a slight advantage, as I am not so sure I am as well practiced as you, sir. But I am not a â??Newbieâ?� either â?? so that may be a point in my favor, as you tend to focus on those â??new-comersâ?�. At the same time though, some may say I don't have the patience, grace and manners to deal with situations as Mr. Sabato has shown â?? so you choose your own destiny in this one.

Oh â?? and here is a quote I truly appreciate. You may recognize the author:â??â?¦Life is not always about "positive commentsâ?�.

Bill, I guess â??thisâ?� post of mine is one of â??thoseâ?� comments to which you allude. But for the sake of argument, you should be pleased to know you have driven more people from this Forum then you have â??enrapturedâ?� and â??captivatedâ?� with your pearls of sarcasm and offensive abuse â?? mildly cushioned by your knowledge you begrudgingly share in an open and well-intentioned manner. I would know about their thoughts â?? I get their private e-mails. I doubt they would ever electively communicate with you, so I do not think you can share this same perspective. Can you blame them? I certainly donâ??t.

Iâ??m sure you have an entirely different perspective. Iâ??m not certain I would want to be at the same level so I could consider empathizing with your perspective, however.

No Flame intended, of course. In fact - you might have the courtesy to also thank John and I for perhaps not providing you with "positive comments", but rather â?? the truth about your own conduct in these Forums. I do believe I read something like that in this same thread - perhaps you could remind me where I saw that?

John D.

[wterrell]

I am certainly glad that this thread has ended!
I have enjoyed a life that has included a lot of characters who might be considered cantankerous and singular. These men are memorable.
Of all of the genial neighbors with whom I have been acquainted very few cause me to smile to myself upon reminiscence. Whereas many an old f_rt with whom I have had a boundary dispute, or disagreement about livestock, whom I have told to kiss my left britches leg, the memory of them brings back reveries of quite a few pleasant moments.
I am sure that Alex, Rjennings, and Hermit will agree that this is not the hill upon which Bill should die.

[John D.]

[quote]Originally posted by wes:
<strong>I am certainly glad that this thread has ended....</strong><hr></blockquote>

It did?

For the record - I didn't ban anyone and everyone who was here before my post - is still able to post... Further, I'm intrigued by the response anyone might have.

John D.

[Edward Tinker]

Well John, I almost closed it more than once.... It is hard for me not to want to, I believe everyone has their right to say something, but hate it when people get pissy at posters and would rather end it, yet understand how "free speech" should be allowed. (boy is that wishy-washy or what?)

I'd rather talk Luger's [img]smile.gif[/img] as I know Wes and you (John) would rather do that than comment on comments of others [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Pete Ebbink]

As one of the other Newbies (and/or 90-day wonders...) I have gotten the proverbial "bite in the ass" as someone mentioned more than one time from you, Garfield...

I just wondered why you have been one of the few "advanced collectors" that refuses to receive Private Messages through the Forum.

There have been many times when I felt your comments should not go, unanswered by me, on the Forum; but was taught to be well-mannered and to not have such discussions in the "open"...

But since you have chosen to make it a monologue and not a dialogue, I have found other, equally knowledgeable "experts" with which to bug with my newbie questions...

Regrettably,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />