Whats with the '9' on the grips on some artillerys?

[cirelaw]

I know it mean't 9mm but why them? They were all 9mm! https://www.tumblr.com/search/artillery%20luger

[cirelaw]

The Powell Device! http://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-...-ordnance.html

[alvin]

All military Lugers were 9mm, so why did some Lugers have "9" on grip. I guess it's also related with Mauser 7.63mm issued to German army in WWI. German army was a conscript army, not professional soldiers. When some people could mistakenly load 9mm into 7.63mm pistol, why couldn't a few wrongly load DWM 403 into Luger? The chamber would fit. Probably most knew Luger being 9mm, but when there were a few million of men, every type of people existed.

Is there a "9" on CC?

[cirelaw]

The Nicest Luger consficated!https://www.tumblr.com/search/p.08%20luger

[alvin]

Don't know other people's feeling. Personally, I dislike golden guns. Gold, when applied a little bit on gun, could be pretty. But when the whole gun is gold plated, it's really ugly IMO.

Mauser used gold on their presentation guns. Let's see their taste. I believe it's original, due to it's found in a Chinese museum, no s/n on the gun. And this external appearance is absolutely original.

[cirelaw]

Thank you for your input. I found this~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzqbJeDHK64

[cirelaw]

Another relevent site! http://www.chuckhawks.com/mauser_c96.htm

[Sieger]

Hi:

Why not!

Sieger

[TheRomanhistorian]

Originally Posted by alvin

Don't know other people's feeling. Personally, I dislike golden guns. Gold, when applied a little bit on gun, could be pretty. But when the whole gun is gold plated, it's really ugly IMO.

Mauser used gold on their presentation guns. Let's see their taste. I believe it's original, due to it's found in a Chinese museum, no s/n on the gun. And this external appearance is absolutely original.

Alvin, that hint of gold is tasteful and beautiful. Is that the Chinese dragon and English lion? I almost feel like I'm looking at the Hong Kong crest (though that surely isn't such a piece, I expect). That application of gold I think (due to its understated nature) says much more than the much more shiny pieces.

Michael

[alvin]

Originally Posted by TheRomanhistorian

Alvin, that hint of gold is tasteful and beautiful. Is that the Chinese dragon and English lion? I almost feel like I'm looking at the Hong Kong crest (though that surely isn't such a piece, I expect). That application of gold I think (due to its understated nature) says much more than the much more shiny pieces.

Michael

No. It's Mauser's logo. The provenance of the gun is unknown. But on the top of the gun, there is a line of engraved text in handsome writting Chinese "Waffenfabrik Mauser Respectfully Offered". Although not numbered, this variation was about s/n 40,000. Must be a gift gun to a senior Chinese official..

[cirelaw]

I found some luger with a 9 http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/luger-...-grips-319509/ Go past the discussions and at the bottom there a more examples~ Eric

[alvin]

Mauser Red 9 works with JHP ammo. I tried that. It's a little bit surprise. But JHP feeds without any issue. I fired 20 rounds JHP from a Weimar R9 without any issue. Have anyone tried that on Luger?

[MikeP]

Knowing how the military sometimes works, it is concieveable that at some pont in time some fool got hold of some .30 Luger ammo and caused an issue of some sort.
They might have confused the length and stock with a carbine or a Borchardt.

A possible reponse is that somebody high up in the chain decided a good idea would be to mark pieces issued with a stock a red nine.
They are pretty rare. Just thinking late at night of some practices I have encountered.

I suppose we could have a contest and best guess wins something.

[Diver6106]

I think more likely, is that when they transitioned, early units were fitted with red nine grips. Then it became unnecessary with high production and only 9mm Lugers being issued. However as grips wore down or broke, they just pulled grips available and put them on the P-08s, including some marked with the red 9. So this artillery Luger has replacement grips.? Probably the same for Red 9 Broomhandle Mausers.

[George Anderson]

In 1917 9mm C96 pistols appeared on the front for the first time. The same year an Army directive was issued that every Infantry company be issued ten LP08s. The first 9mm Mausers were not marked "9" on the grips and one can imagine the confusion among units that already had 7.63 mm Mausers so an Army directive was issued to units in the field and Mauser instructing that the new 9mm long barreled Mausers be branded with a nine. At the same time thousands of artilleries were being issued to troops who were totally unfamiliar with them. It's all due to confusion in some units. ALL "Red Nine" artilleries were branded at the unit level whereas most Mausers were marked by Mauser. Virtually ALL Red Nine Artilleries are dated 1917.

[Lugerdoc]

The first 60K 9mm brooms were made at the Mauser factory WITHOUT the "Red Nine" marked grips. As stated above, due to the confusion with the 1915 military 7.63mm order, Mauser did make them later on with the large branded Red Nine. Many of the early ones were then marked by field armours with various size Red 9 markings, but be careful of fakes, particularly if both sides are not serialized inside to the pistol. Tom

[cirelaw]

Awesome!

[Sergio Natali]

A real mine of information on "brooms".

[alvin]

Gun price is rising. Red 9, it's genuine. But reblued. Nowadays, people are willing to pay about $1.7k on reblued gun for shooting fun. Seller, for unknown reason, still does not want to release it.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=466939521

Another one, also reblued. Bookmarked to see how it goes. This one has no reserve, it will go.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=467100457

[cirelaw]

A short video on these cuties https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV9J2ceUeUk