Data request 1937 and 1938 S/42 - Page 4

barr44 · 12-18-2007, 05:01 PM

This gun is not pristine but it is mechanically sound. Serial number is 2286n. It has a moderate amount of light pitting and a couple of rough spots caused by rust. The bluing is thining and turning to a brown patina on the grip strap and parts of the lower frame. The bore of the gun is good, there is some pitting in the bore, but the lands and grooves are strong. The waffen marks are 83 and 63 on the receiver, best I can tell. Seems to be the droop wing eagle on the receiver and perhaps the stick wing eagle on the barrel, it's a little faint. The grips fit good and are in very good shape, but are darkened with age and oil. All parts seem to be properly numbered and waffen marks are correct. The magazine has the aluminum base with the correct serial number and is waffen marked 83.
Photos:

Hope this helps, not real sure about the eagles, barr

ChannelIsles · 12-18-2007, 05:17 PM

1937 1264 t, DE63, strawed, hump, matching mag SE63

John Winter · 01-04-2008, 04:56 PM

S/42 1937

1937 5607p D/E 63, strawed, MTP, matching

Zamo · 01-05-2008, 12:29 AM

I feel like a full on GOMER...It's only now that I realize in my haste to participate, I completely omited my pistols S/N, which of course renders my previous submission utterally useless!

Let's try it again...
1937 S/42 SE/63 SE/63 MTP 3746a!!!

Zamo · 01-05-2008, 12:32 AM

Oh, uh...and all blued...not strawed...but the previous pic illustrates that.
(I sure hope none of you realize this lack of putting all the data correctly together in one post, is really an elaborate scheme of mine, designed explicitly to drive my # of posts up, and has NOTHING to do with the fact that I can't seem to follow directions very well)

NJG26Capricorn · 02-14-2008, 05:50 PM

1938 S/42 - S/N 4797n - SE/83 SE/63 - MTP - mag= wood finger grip #2831

,John

JOHN42768 · 03-03-2008, 10:16 PM

Hi Jan, Brand new to forum. My first post goes to you. 1937 S/42, sn 4185u, DE/63 DE/63 MTP all matching except mag.

Edward Tinker · 03-03-2008, 10:58 PM

John, welcome to the forum! I have merged your thread into this one where all the other 1937 info is located.

Ed

JOHN42768 · 03-03-2008, 11:23 PM

Thanks Ed, I'll figure out where everything goes in time. John

John Sabato · 03-05-2008, 10:36 AM

Jan, I finally got a good look at the 1937 S/42 sn 8091a that I mentioned long ago.

Here is a photo (although not very focused, but you can see the images. The numbers are definitely both 63. Sorry this took so long.

grapppa · 03-24-2008, 06:09 PM

Jan

1937 S/42 sn 3513 SE63 SE63 MTP blued
1937 S/42 sn 7727p DE63 DE63 MTP strawed

Paul

Aaron · 03-24-2008, 08:33 PM

1937 S/42 sn 6295a SE63 SE63 MTP blued, matching grips

AK2 G. · 05-08-2008, 09:17 PM

1937 S/42 SE63 SE63 MTP, 6054a , blued and bump

whcoyote · 06-01-2008, 10:54 PM

Jan:
1937, S/42, S/N 1646x: DE/63 DE/63 MTP, all black, w/frame hump. The two DE/63s were definitely stamped with two different dies.
Bob

whcoyote · 06-01-2008, 11:15 PM

Jan:
Ref my prior reply on 1937 S/42 S/N 1646X: The magazine is matching (first mag, not extra) and has an SE/63 Acceptance Stamp.
Bob

Ron D · 12-02-2008, 04:31 PM

1938 S/42, sn 9307k, SE/63 SE/63 MTP Mat mag SE/63

Jan C Still · 12-02-2008, 09:16 PM

Jea-marie, Hoyt, grappa, bar 44, ChannelIsles, John Winter, John (Capricorn), John 42766, John Sabato, Paul, Aaron, AK2 G., whcoyte and Ron; thanks for the 1937 and 1938 S/42 data. Table updated.

lypet · 02-26-2009, 06:18 PM

1938 S/42, sn 4463c, SE/83 SE/63 non matching mag. I could be wrong, the reblue is so heavy it is very hard to see even with a 10X loupe.

1938 S/42, sn 7804h, SE/63 SE/63 non matching mag, Silver and gold plated, Heavy barrel

bgoat3 · 03-01-2009, 08:00 AM

Mr. Still,

As per my post with pictures on the forum. Any information/enlightenment would be appreciated.

1938 S/42 'parts marking' as pictured in Kenyon's Lugers at Random page 370

Serial # is 9057, O block, which I believe falls outside the 1938 range and into 1939 production.

Receiver and barrel with no serial numbers, but S/42 marked on left of receiver where serial number would normally be. No WAA's or firing proofs on right side of slide, but barrel is stamped E/655...1939 production?, as per Kenyon's photo's, but no index marks on barrel/slide, all toggle parts and internals including firing pin marked 57, as per normal.

The bottom half is all matching, including mag, which is E/63 marked, grips are 6 digits off.

Rare or just unusual? Kinda spooky looking without proofs and serial numbers. I have never encountered one, but remembered seeing the variation pictured.

Would really appreciate any information on this anomaly from the experts.

Silvereagle29 · 03-05-2009, 03:02 AM

A long time ago, I determined that serial numbers without the essential related data only provides an avenue to get a collector of this information in a lot of trouble. The 1937-S/42 is a good example. There were three major transitions in 1937. Number one, the change from the straw small parts to the all blue small parts. It would help if you would indicate this info with the serial number and letter suffix (blue or straw). Number two, the no hump to the hump (does your pistol have the Mauser hump). Keep in mind that some pistols with straw small parts have the Mauser hump (please indicate). And three the change in the magazine acceptance in the - r - block from the DE-63 to the SE-63. If this data is not presented, all we have is serial numbers and absolutly no way to present these changes to collectors. Hopefully you guys who are presenting the serial numbers will provide this additional information. I collect serial numbers also and need this information to make accurate comments. Thanks

12-18-2007, 05:01 PM	#61
barr44 User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: york co., va Posts: 151 Thanks: 27 Thanked 35 Times in 21 Posts	1938 S-42 This gun is not pristine but it is mechanically sound. Serial number is 2286n. It has a moderate amount of light pitting and a couple of rough spots caused by rust. The bluing is thining and turning to a brown patina on the grip strap and parts of the lower frame. The bore of the gun is good, there is some pitting in the bore, but the lands and grooves are strong. The waffen marks are 83 and 63 on the receiver, best I can tell. Seems to be the droop wing eagle on the receiver and perhaps the stick wing eagle on the barrel, it's a little faint. The grips fit good and are in very good shape, but are darkened with age and oil. All parts seem to be properly numbered and waffen marks are correct. The magazine has the aluminum base with the correct serial number and is waffen marked 83. Photos: Hope this helps, not real sure about the eagles, barr

12-18-2007, 05:17 PM	#62
ChannelIsles User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jersey Channel Islands Posts: 156 Thanks: 8 Thanked 33 Times in 16 Posts	S/42 1937 1937 1264 t, DE63, strawed, hump, matching mag SE63

01-04-2008, 04:56 PM	#63
John Winter User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	S/42 1937 1937 5607p D/E 63, strawed, MTP, matching __________________ JRW

03-03-2008, 10:16 PM	#67
JOHN42768 New User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: upstate N.Y. Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	S/42 Data for Jan Hi Jan, Brand new to forum. My first post goes to you. 1937 S/42, sn 4185u, DE/63 DE/63 MTP all matching except mag. __________________ "Freedom flies in your heart like an eagle. Let it soar with the winds high above Among the spirits of soldiers now sleeping, Guard it with care and with love" Audie Murphy (1925-1971)

03-03-2008, 10:58 PM	#68
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	John, welcome to the forum! I have merged your thread into this one where all the other 1937 info is located. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-05-2008, 12:29 AM	#64
Zamo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 142 Thanks: 4 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts	I feel like a full on GOMER...It's only now that I realize in my haste to participate, I completely omited my pistols S/N, which of course renders my previous submission utterally useless! Let's try it again... 1937 S/42 SE/63 SE/63 MTP 3746a!!!

01-05-2008, 12:32 AM	#65
Zamo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 142 Thanks: 4 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Oh, uh...and all blued...not strawed...but the previous pic illustrates that. (I sure hope none of you realize this lack of putting all the data correctly together in one post, is really an elaborate scheme of mine, designed explicitly to drive my # of posts up, and has NOTHING to do with the fact that I can't seem to follow directions very well)

02-14-2008, 05:50 PM	#66
NJG26Capricorn User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NJ USA Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1938 S/42 - S/N 4797n - SE/83 SE/63 - MTP - mag= wood finger grip #2831 ,John

03-03-2008, 11:23 PM	#69
JOHN42768 New User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: upstate N.Y. Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Ed, I'll figure out where everything goes in time. John __________________ "Freedom flies in your heart like an eagle. Let it soar with the winds high above Among the spirits of soldiers now sleeping, Guard it with care and with love" Audie Murphy (1925-1971)

03-05-2008, 10:36 AM	#70
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Jan, I finally got a good look at the 1937 S/42 sn 8091a that I mentioned long ago. Here is a photo (although not very focused, but you can see the images. The numbers are definitely both 63. Sorry this took so long. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-24-2008, 06:09 PM	#71
grapppa User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	S/42s to report Jan 1937 S/42 sn 3513 SE63 SE63 MTP blued 1937 S/42 sn 7727p DE63 DE63 MTP strawed Paul

03-24-2008, 08:33 PM	#72
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	1937 S/42 sn 6295a SE63 SE63 MTP blued, matching grips

05-08-2008, 09:17 PM	#73
AK2 G. New User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1937 S/42 SE63 SE63 MTP, 6054a , blued and bump

06-01-2008, 10:54 PM	#74
whcoyote User Join Date: May 2008 Location: SW Virginia Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Jan: 1937, S/42, S/N 1646x: DE/63 DE/63 MTP, all black, w/frame hump. The two DE/63s were definitely stamped with two different dies. Bob

06-01-2008, 11:15 PM	#75
whcoyote User Join Date: May 2008 Location: SW Virginia Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	'37 & '38 P.08 markings Jan: Ref my prior reply on 1937 S/42 S/N 1646X: The magazine is matching (first mag, not extra) and has an SE/63 Acceptance Stamp. Bob

12-02-2008, 04:31 PM	#76
Ron D New User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Data request 1937 and 1938 S/42 1938 S/42, sn 9307k, SE/63 SE/63 MTP Mat mag SE/63

12-02-2008, 09:16 PM	#77
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Jea-marie, Hoyt, grappa, bar 44, ChannelIsles, John Winter, John (Capricorn), John 42766, John Sabato, Paul, Aaron, AK2 G., whcoyte and Ron; thanks for the 1937 and 1938 S/42 data. Table updated.

02-26-2009, 06:18 PM	#78
lypet User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: MN Posts: 33 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	1938 S/42, sn 4463c, SE/83 SE/63 non matching mag. I could be wrong, the reblue is so heavy it is very hard to see even with a 10X loupe. 1938 S/42, sn 7804h, SE/63 SE/63 non matching mag, Silver and gold plated, Heavy barrel Attached Thumbnails

03-01-2009, 08:00 AM	#79
bgoat3 User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1938 S/42 out of posted ser. # range S/42 marked receiver with no proofs/ser.#'s Mr. Still, As per my post with pictures on the forum. Any information/enlightenment would be appreciated. 1938 S/42 'parts marking' as pictured in Kenyon's Lugers at Random page 370 Serial # is 9057, O block, which I believe falls outside the 1938 range and into 1939 production. Receiver and barrel with no serial numbers, but S/42 marked on left of receiver where serial number would normally be. No WAA's or firing proofs on right side of slide, but barrel is stamped E/655...1939 production?, as per Kenyon's photo's, but no index marks on barrel/slide, all toggle parts and internals including firing pin marked 57, as per normal. The bottom half is all matching, including mag, which is E/63 marked, grips are 6 digits off. Rare or just unusual? Kinda spooky looking without proofs and serial numbers. I have never encountered one, but remembered seeing the variation pictured. Would really appreciate any information on this anomaly from the experts.

03-05-2009, 03:02 AM	#80
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	A long time ago, I determined that serial numbers without the essential related data only provides an avenue to get a collector of this information in a lot of trouble. The 1937-S/42 is a good example. There were three major transitions in 1937. Number one, the change from the straw small parts to the all blue small parts. It would help if you would indicate this info with the serial number and letter suffix (blue or straw). Number two, the no hump to the hump (does your pistol have the Mauser hump). Keep in mind that some pistols with straw small parts have the Mauser hump (please indicate). And three the change in the magazine acceptance in the - r - block from the DE-63 to the SE-63. If this data is not presented, all we have is serial numbers and absolutly no way to present these changes to collectors. Hopefully you guys who are presenting the serial numbers will provide this additional information. I collect serial numbers also and need this information to make accurate comments. Thanks