1937 Mauser Luger (S/42) - Page 2

Galaxy88 · 02-24-2012, 01:33 PM

Sorry one or two failures.

lugersrkewl · 02-24-2012, 01:51 PM

that wasnt changed from a 30- to a 9mm was it I wonder if the its the correct recoil spring , it probably is if it was made in the late 30s but.... I do enjoy random uneducated guesses

rhuff · 02-24-2012, 03:58 PM

Check the extractor face, and be sure that one arm is not broken. If the chamber is too deep, the 9mm round can not headspece on the case mouth, as it is designed to do, and the extractor can not move over the case rim into the extractor groove of the cartridge when the breach closes. If the loaded round with a light primer strike is not extracted when you cycle the toggle, then the extractor never got into the groove. The loaded cartridge is too far into the chamber, and the extractor and the firing pin can not reach it to allow normal function. What ammo are you trying to shoot?

Galaxy88 · 02-25-2012, 11:01 PM

Not sure about the caliber change. I ordered new springs to try. The extractor looks good. If the chamber was too deep wouldn't all rounds be affected? The last time at the range, I got five to six rounds to function properly(3 or 4 different times) then a complete failure. Click and no extraction. Winchester White Box. Thanks for your help!

rhuff · 02-26-2012, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy88

Not sure about the caliber change. I ordered new springs to try. The extractor looks good. If the chamber was too deep wouldn't all rounds be affected? The last time at the range, I got five to six rounds to function properly(3 or 4 different times) then a complete failure. Click and no extraction. Winchester White Box. Thanks for your help!

If the chamber is really marginal, it make work hit and miss due to the slight variation in the ammo case mouth dimensions. If the extractor is not getting over the case rim, the firing pin can not reach the primer well enough to ignite it, and will show as no/light primer strike. If you have access to PMC ammo, try some 115/124gr FMJ in your luger. The brass is slightly thicker than the WWB by .0005 inch or so, and gives a better case mouth to catch on the chamber groove.

Also, take the Luger apart(field strip) and get a good light, then look into the chamber at the chamber groove. If there is any crud in the groove, use a very sharp pointed tool (ice pick,etc) to clean the groove. Many times the bronze barrel brushes don't clean the chambers that well.

Also, now that it is apart, remove the firing pin and spring, and reassemble the Luger. Place 1-2 WWB rounds in the magazine and put them in the gun. Work the toggle slowly by hand and when the breachblock feeds the round into the chamber and fully locks, the extractor should be raised on top of the breechblock. From a fully closed/locked toggle train, now slowly open the toggle and see if the extractor has ahold of the loaded round via the extractor groove, and is removing it from the chamber. As I stated above, be SURE that the firing pin and spring are out of the gun. This little test will give you some information as to the chamber and extractor. Is the extractor spring good and strong?

Didn't mean to be so long winded, but these Lugers can be very frustrating to say the least.

Galaxy88 · 02-26-2012, 10:57 PM

Thanks, I will give this a try.

Galaxy88 · 03-12-2012, 11:47 AM

Went to the range today-the PMC ammo worked perfect. I did change the firing pin spring. No other ammo would work(Remington,Winchester(nato) and white box). Its very frustrating! I'm going to try the ejector spring and then the main spring. Any other thoughts? Thanks again for all the info. The guys at the range loved it!!

rhuff · 03-12-2012, 05:16 PM

P08 lugers are very ammo sensitive, like many .22 cal handguns. Feel lucky that you have found an inexpensive brand of ammo that runs 100% in your Luger. To me, you have proven that the chamber headspacing is very marginal, and it will jam/fail to fire with the standard WWB, Remington etc. ammo. You can try spring changes, but if the firing pin won't reach the primer well enough to ignite it, that is not a spring problem. I have a 1921 DWM that does the same thing due to a "pistolsmith" that screwed up the headspace on a new barrel.

So I just purchased a case of PMC 115gr ammo for a couple of my 9mm Lugers, and then I can get on with my life knowing those Lugers will function good when they go to the range.

Others may disagree, I am just giving you my opinions, and what works for me and my Lugers(two of them).

Galaxy88 · 03-12-2012, 10:46 PM

I still might send it to the 'Lugerdoc" if its a headspace issue. But, I took it to a local gunsmith and it looked good. Only problem, he never looked at or worked on Lugers! He works for the Border Patrol and works on H&K's.

Galaxy88 · 03-22-2012, 11:16 PM

Tried the PMC ammo again- its works great. If it is a headspace issue, how can I fix it? My local gunsmith offered me $1500.00 again. Comes with two mags(correct period), Holster that was cut to fit(crazy),Nazi belt(w/buckle) and the registration card copy from 8-18-45. I LOVE this pistol-everyone who see's it wants it! I know I should just put it away no matter what it is or does. But the wife is giving me a hard time about it. Any opinions would be great!

Galaxy88 · 03-22-2012, 11:18 PM

I really don't want to put alot of rounds through it..just in case? What is a fair price??

TheRomanhistorian · 03-22-2012, 11:37 PM

I don't know if I'd sell something as distinctive as that, no matter what the price, and I think there's a lot of history there (plus I'm sentimental about my 'first' anything, heh). Hopefully one of the other more knowledgeable members can suggest a fair price.

Galaxy88 · 03-30-2012, 12:12 AM

Haven't been to the range lately...But thanks to all for the info!!!!!

Galaxy88 · 03-30-2012, 12:14 AM

Changed a few springs.. was there a difference in size. The originals were compressed alot compared to the new. Hope this solves the issues with all ammo!

Galaxy88 · 04-01-2012, 03:36 AM

The original owner gave me a copy ,was dropped registered 8/19/45 Vet bring back .Tell me???

sheepherder · 04-01-2012, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy88

I LOVE this pistol-everyone who see's it wants it! I know I should just put it away no matter what it is or does. But the wife is giving me a hard time about it. Any opinions would be great!

Keep the Luger; get rid of the wife.

Galaxy88 · 04-26-2012, 01:52 AM

Too expensive to get rid of either one... Gotta keep both!!

Greg B. · 05-04-2012, 12:52 PM

I have an S/42 in good condition that is sensitive about everything. The most recent variable that I am trying to control for is the shape of the ogive on handloaded full metal jacketed bullets. I regard it as a project gun and I am making progress. Doubt that I will ever sell it. If I were you I would send it to Tom Heller and let him look at it. Yes it may cost some money but go one step at a time and it will come together. You already have one brand of bullet that works. Unless you can afford a new Krigoff (sp?) those of us who own the old ones have a weapon that comes with a very significant history.

Greg B.

Galaxy88 · 05-10-2012, 01:26 AM

Thanks..Love the gun ... these were made well before the plastics. It feels great in my hand and I don't care if I shoot it..history!!

03-22-2012, 11:37 PM	#32
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	I don't know if I'd sell something as distinctive as that, no matter what the price, and I think there's a lot of history there (plus I'm sentimental about my 'first' anything, heh). Hopefully one of the other more knowledgeable members can suggest a fair price. __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

04-01-2012, 03:36 AM	#35
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	S/42 The original owner gave me a copy ,was dropped registered 8/19/45 Vet bring back .Tell me???

02-24-2012, 01:33 PM	#21
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Sorry one or two failures.

02-24-2012, 01:51 PM	#22
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	that wasnt changed from a 30- to a 9mm was it I wonder if the its the correct recoil spring , it probably is if it was made in the late 30s but.... I do enjoy random uneducated guesses

02-24-2012, 03:58 PM	#23
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	Check the extractor face, and be sure that one arm is not broken. If the chamber is too deep, the 9mm round can not headspece on the case mouth, as it is designed to do, and the extractor can not move over the case rim into the extractor groove of the cartridge when the breach closes. If the loaded round with a light primer strike is not extracted when you cycle the toggle, then the extractor never got into the groove. The loaded cartridge is too far into the chamber, and the extractor and the firing pin can not reach it to allow normal function. What ammo are you trying to shoot?

02-25-2012, 11:01 PM	#24
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Not sure about the caliber change. I ordered new springs to try. The extractor looks good. If the chamber was too deep wouldn't all rounds be affected? The last time at the range, I got five to six rounds to function properly(3 or 4 different times) then a complete failure. Click and no extraction. Winchester White Box. Thanks for your help!

02-26-2012, 10:57 PM	#26
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks, I will give this a try.

03-12-2012, 11:47 AM	#27
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Went to the range today-the PMC ammo worked perfect. I did change the firing pin spring. No other ammo would work(Remington,Winchester(nato) and white box). Its very frustrating! I'm going to try the ejector spring and then the main spring. Any other thoughts? Thanks again for all the info. The guys at the range loved it!!

03-12-2012, 05:16 PM	#28
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	P08 lugers are very ammo sensitive, like many .22 cal handguns. Feel lucky that you have found an inexpensive brand of ammo that runs 100% in your Luger. To me, you have proven that the chamber headspacing is very marginal, and it will jam/fail to fire with the standard WWB, Remington etc. ammo. You can try spring changes, but if the firing pin won't reach the primer well enough to ignite it, that is not a spring problem. I have a 1921 DWM that does the same thing due to a "pistolsmith" that screwed up the headspace on a new barrel. So I just purchased a case of PMC 115gr ammo for a couple of my 9mm Lugers, and then I can get on with my life knowing those Lugers will function good when they go to the range. Others may disagree, I am just giving you my opinions, and what works for me and my Lugers(two of them).

03-12-2012, 10:46 PM	#29
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I still might send it to the 'Lugerdoc" if its a headspace issue. But, I took it to a local gunsmith and it looked good. Only problem, he never looked at or worked on Lugers! He works for the Border Patrol and works on H&K's.

03-22-2012, 11:16 PM	#30
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Tried the PMC ammo again- its works great. If it is a headspace issue, how can I fix it? My local gunsmith offered me $1500.00 again. Comes with two mags(correct period), Holster that was cut to fit(crazy),Nazi belt(w/buckle) and the registration card copy from 8-18-45. I LOVE this pistol-everyone who see's it wants it! I know I should just put it away no matter what it is or does. But the wife is giving me a hard time about it. Any opinions would be great!

03-22-2012, 11:18 PM	#31
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I really don't want to put alot of rounds through it..just in case? What is a fair price??

03-30-2012, 12:12 AM	#33
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Haven't been to the range lately...But thanks to all for the info!!!!!

03-30-2012, 12:14 AM	#34
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Changed a few springs.. was there a difference in size. The originals were compressed alot compared to the new. Hope this solves the issues with all ammo!

04-26-2012, 01:52 AM	#37
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Too expensive to get rid of either one... Gotta keep both!!

05-04-2012, 12:52 PM	#38
Greg B. User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	I have an S/42 in good condition that is sensitive about everything. The most recent variable that I am trying to control for is the shape of the ogive on handloaded full metal jacketed bullets. I regard it as a project gun and I am making progress. Doubt that I will ever sell it. If I were you I would send it to Tom Heller and let him look at it. Yes it may cost some money but go one step at a time and it will come together. You already have one brand of bullet that works. Unless you can afford a new Krigoff (sp?) those of us who own the old ones have a weapon that comes with a very significant history. Greg B.

05-10-2012, 01:26 AM	#39
Galaxy88 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sault Ste. Marie, MI Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks..Love the gun ... these were made well before the plastics. It feels great in my hand and I don't care if I shoot it..history!!