dwm or mauser?

04-28-2002, 05:53 PM

I recently picked up this luger and would like to know if it was made by dwm or mauser and its approximate value....gun has grip strap markings l.sd.75 and has a cut out for the sear safety(removed) the gun is in 95% condition with a matching mag..it has a waa66 proof on the right receiver no others that I can see...I presume it is a police gun..any info would be appreciated...thanks..

Thor · 04-28-2002, 06:12 PM

Kind of like a police sneak, Jan Still calls a 29 DWM. Police grip strap, I would guess the "I" was actually an "L" and stood for Landjagerei (rural constable) "sd" Stralsund, see Weimar Lugers, pages 31,32, 33 & 151

Roadkill · 04-28-2002, 06:41 PM

04-28-2002, 07:24 PM

thor has got it right...sd..straslund...L..landjagerie..thanks

Roadkill · 04-28-2002, 07:34 PM

You are the pros, no dissention on my part. Question, did the NSDAP hierarchy with the exception of the totenkopf ever mark their hardware? IE runes? I'm not a pro to that era but I've not seen an indicator designating the Waffen SS, the SD, the SA, Gauleiters, ect on guns like their daggers (SA, Rohm, SS,) Just curious.

Roadkill

04-29-2002, 01:14 AM

The NSDAP marked a few 7.65 pistols with party markings. Some are marked with such things as SA Gruppe Nordland, RFV, or NSFK which are political or administrative organizations. The combat caliber pistols (9mm) don't have such markings, only police or military unit markings. No SS or SD markings, for all practical purposes.

That describes 99% of pistol markings during the 3rd Reich. There may be a few exceptions but not worth noting. There are no SS, SD, or SA marked lugers, eg.

Joe · 04-29-2002, 07:53 PM

One of the 3 biggest lies in Luger collecting is that the letters SD on a Luger grip strap have something to do with the Sicherheitsdienst. These grip strap letters that are mostly observed are marked as: S.D.xxx. The are civil police unit markings for: Schutzpolizei [municipal police] Dusseldorf. Some dealers try to pass these S.D. Lugers off as Gestapo marked guns in order to inflate their value.

This particuler question concerns Landjagerei police markings which is different then the district of Dusseldorf.

04-28-2002, 05:53 PM	#1
peter Guest Posts: n/a	dwm or mauser? I recently picked up this luger and would like to know if it was made by dwm or mauser and its approximate value....gun has grip strap markings l.sd.75 and has a cut out for the sear safety(removed) the gun is in 95% condition with a matching mag..it has a waa66 proof on the right receiver no others that I can see...I presume it is a police gun..any info would be appreciated...thanks..

04-28-2002, 06:12 PM	#2
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: dwm or mauser? Kind of like a police sneak, Jan Still calls a 29 DWM. Police grip strap, I would guess the "I" was actually an "L" and stood for Landjagerei (rural constable) "sd" Stralsund, see Weimar Lugers, pages 31,32, 33 & 151

04-28-2002, 06:41 PM	#3
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	SD = Sicherheitsdienst ? (EOM)

04-28-2002, 07:24 PM	#4
peter Guest Posts: n/a	Re: SD = Sicherheitsdienst ? thor has got it right...sd..straslund...L..landjagerie..thanks

04-28-2002, 07:34 PM	#5
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Re: SD = Sicherheitsdienst ? You are the pros, no dissention on my part. Question, did the NSDAP hierarchy with the exception of the totenkopf ever mark their hardware? IE runes? I'm not a pro to that era but I've not seen an indicator designating the Waffen SS, the SD, the SA, Gauleiters, ect on guns like their daggers (SA, Rohm, SS,) Just curious. Roadkill

04-29-2002, 01:14 AM	#6
mlm Guest Posts: n/a	Re: SD = Sicherheitsdienst ? The NSDAP marked a few 7.65 pistols with party markings. Some are marked with such things as SA Gruppe Nordland, RFV, or NSFK which are political or administrative organizations. The combat caliber pistols (9mm) don't have such markings, only police or military unit markings. No SS or SD markings, for all practical purposes. That describes 99% of pistol markings during the 3rd Reich. There may be a few exceptions but not worth noting. There are no SS, SD, or SA marked lugers, eg.

04-29-2002, 07:53 PM	#7
Joe User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: SD = Sicherheitsdienst ? One of the 3 biggest lies in Luger collecting is that the letters SD on a Luger grip strap have something to do with the Sicherheitsdienst. These grip strap letters that are mostly observed are marked as: S.D.xxx. The are civil police unit markings for: Schutzpolizei [municipal police] Dusseldorf. Some dealers try to pass these S.D. Lugers off as Gestapo marked guns in order to inflate their value. This particuler question concerns Landjagerei police markings which is different then the district of Dusseldorf.