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alvin · 06-28-2008, 10:49 PM

Extremely common gun. Unfortunately, 98% of them are "beaters". Adopted an exception, excellent blue with minor rust, matching stock, like-new bore.

alvin · 06-29-2008, 06:27 AM

.... and a 98' commercial. A little bit less seen. Excellent blue with minor rust, minty bore (like-new, minty, excellent, very good, good, fair, and poor.
So, the bore is the 2nd grade in my definition). A seller on GB said "finding a old gun with minty bore is like finding a virgin in 80-year-old house." Not really that hard.

alvin · 06-29-2008, 08:24 AM

The 3rd one, the final one. Like-new bore. Loving of guns starting from this type when I was five. But something is wrong, in my memory, it's super heavy, but this one is feather weight

alvin · 07-24-2008, 02:06 PM

I had seen it before, but I had missed it. Interesting enough, it showed up again, so I picked it up. Taking picture under natural light still works better than the "light box" (at least better than my cheap light box).

So called "Standard CH", with minor light rust. Near mint bore.

LugerVern · 07-24-2008, 03:03 PM

Alvin

Nice! I like them!

Thanks for posting!

Vern

alvin · 10-21-2008, 07:20 PM

No problem. Since you like it.... and I like it

alvin · 11-26-2008, 06:16 PM

This is supposed to be one of those "sitting in a drawer for its whole life in the midwest" gun.

Could anyone could tell me which year it's made? even rougly is welcome!

alvin · 11-27-2008, 08:42 AM

tac, thanks for the info. Regarding the upside down pix, one of my "light box" light falled to the ground and broke. Now I am operating on a single light. The gun was put in upside down position to focus the single light source on the slide, then use Windows to rotate the picture.... but I forgot to rotate this time.

Page 236 of "Central Power Pistols" (Still, 2007) mentioned

About 725,000 1900 Brownings were manufactured by Fabrique Nationale d'Armes deGuerre, in Herstal Belgium from 1900-1914.

The book focused on military guns. I have to find another book to cover commercial Brownings.

The piece came from a gentleman whose grandfather was a U.S. diplomat assigned to England before and during WWI. The gun was bought new in Europe around 1910 and he carried it back. It came with a leather holster of that era, which fits this gun perfectly.

Vlim · 11-27-2008, 11:56 AM

For what it's worth, the book on the 100th anniversary of FN by Francotte/Gaier mentions that the 1900 model was produced until 1931. Too bad that they don't give total production figures.

There is a new book on FN, sponsored by the company, for it's 125th anniversary.

policeluger · 11-27-2008, 12:58 PM

was the price in euro or usd ?

alvin · 11-27-2008, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G. van Vlimmeren

the book on the 100th anniversary of FN by Francotte/Gaier.....There is a new book on FN, sponsored by the company, for it's 125th anniversary.

Using the authors' names, I just searched the web and found a Herstal sponsored book "ARS MECHANICA: The Ultimate FN Book". Looks like it's official. Will try to get one. The introduction says the book covers 1889-2007. Hopefully, it's printed in E, "ARS MECHANICA" on the cover looks like French (?)

Vlim · 11-27-2008, 08:18 PM

That's the one.

It has been printed in both an English and a French version. Both have the same title.

alvin · 11-27-2008, 09:20 PM

Regarding the year it was made, I did a little searching with the references in my hands at this moment.

Page 212 of the book "Handguns of the World" (Ezell, 1981) presents two Modele 1900 pictures, s/n 100,000 and 500,000, both have s/n stamped big on the left side of the frame (unusual). Both were presentation guns to John Browning by the manufactucer. Pistol 100,000 even had the date stamped below the s/n, "4 AOUT 1904". 500,000 had no date on the gun. The text on page 211 says: "By August 1904, 100,000 Modele 1900s had been built, 500,000 by 1909", obviously refered to those two presentation pistols of known provenance.

If above data is accurate, this one was made in 1909. I will celebrate it's 100th birthday very soon

====

Another piece of info is also interesting. Page 166 of Volume 1 of "The Machine Gun" (Chinn, 1951) says:

Twelve years from the time the first weapon was produced, the millionth pistol was made. After this fact was engraved on the receiver, the weapon was presented to John M. Browning during the ceremony of the title "Chevalier de l'Ordre de Leopold" by King Albert of Belgium.

Sounds like at least 1,000,000 were made..... no picture of the engraved pistol in the book. With all those numbers, FN's production pattern was very uneven, 1st half a million in 9 years, 2nd half a million in 3 years (isn't 500 pistols per day a very high production volume??)

alvin · 01-06-2009, 10:22 PM

Use the sold AK and HR money, not counting my shipping cost, just did a 2:1 conversion.... those two were converted to one of these in the picture (actually, the back one, 1% better than the front one). AK price is soaring and Broom's price is dropping these days..... anyway, if I had thought too much, I would not acquired anything.

alvin · 02-28-2009, 02:31 PM

Finally, adopted a German military gun. All my Parabellums came from forum members, thanks!

alvin · 03-13-2009, 08:16 PM

For those of you who can tell subtle difference between gun finish.... it's a salt blued bolo made in 1929. Mauser was about to say good bye to baby broom and restore their long barrels.

Movie "Lust Caution" (2008), C96 carried by the guards of Chinese collaborationist government.

Historically, Imperial Japanese Army issued large number of Mausers to Chinese collaborationist government (Japanese supported, 1940-1945). And a few Japanese trading companies were important arm suppliers to Chinese warlords in 1920s. Ironically, Japanese kept inferior Nambu pistols for their own use during the Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945).

It's not surprising that Japanese had some C96s. Right side is an original bolo brought back by a US Major from Japan, with mismatched but period correct original "banner" bolo stock.

Tanaka Kakuei was Japanese Prime Minister 1972-1974. During Sino-Japanese War, he served as a political officer in an Imperial army unit stationed in Northern China. In 1944, he "bribed" local communist guerilla leader by giving the latter two brand new C96s as gift in exchange of the guerilla not attacking his men. Not this gun though

alvin · 09-30-2010, 07:30 PM

Birthday gift of 2010.

pitsword · 09-30-2010, 08:23 PM

Alvin,
Crikey (really..no sh*t) where have you been or rather, where are you? Found this post, thimking it wuz frum you most recently and looked at the dates. It wuz frum years ago. I/we miss you. Stay in touch.
pitsword

nukem556 · 09-30-2010, 08:44 PM

I must be missing something....how can you own ANY guns in Beijing??????

alvin · 09-30-2010, 09:16 PM

Well, I have legs ..... I can run here and there

Tired though. Hope I can have a stable life.

06-28-2008, 10:49 PM	#1
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Adopt a gun Extremely common gun. Unfortunately, 98% of them are "beaters". Adopted an exception, excellent blue with minor rust, matching stock, like-new bore.

07-24-2008, 02:06 PM	#4
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I had seen it before, but I had missed it. Interesting enough, it showed up again, so I picked it up. Taking picture under natural light still works better than the "light box" (at least better than my cheap light box). So called "Standard CH", with minor light rust. Near mint bore. Attached Thumbnails

11-26-2008, 06:16 PM	#7
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	This is supposed to be one of those "sitting in a drawer for its whole life in the midwest" gun. Could anyone could tell me which year it's made? even rougly is welcome! Attached Thumbnails

11-27-2008, 08:42 AM	#8
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	tac, thanks for the info. Regarding the upside down pix, one of my "light box" light falled to the ground and broke. Now I am operating on a single light. The gun was put in upside down position to focus the single light source on the slide, then use Windows to rotate the picture.... but I forgot to rotate this time. Page 236 of "Central Power Pistols" (Still, 2007) mentioned About 725,000 1900 Brownings were manufactured by Fabrique Nationale d'Armes deGuerre, in Herstal Belgium from 1900-1914. The book focused on military guns. I have to find another book to cover commercial Brownings. The piece came from a gentleman whose grandfather was a U.S. diplomat assigned to England before and during WWI. The gun was bought new in Europe around 1910 and he carried it back. It came with a leather holster of that era, which fits this gun perfectly. Attached Thumbnails

11-27-2008, 09:20 PM	#13
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Regarding the year it was made, I did a little searching with the references in my hands at this moment. Page 212 of the book "Handguns of the World" (Ezell, 1981) presents two Modele 1900 pictures, s/n 100,000 and 500,000, both have s/n stamped big on the left side of the frame (unusual). Both were presentation guns to John Browning by the manufactucer. Pistol 100,000 even had the date stamped below the s/n, "4 AOUT 1904". 500,000 had no date on the gun. The text on page 211 says: "By August 1904, 100,000 Modele 1900s had been built, 500,000 by 1909", obviously refered to those two presentation pistols of known provenance. If above data is accurate, this one was made in 1909. I will celebrate it's 100th birthday very soon ==== Another piece of info is also interesting. Page 166 of Volume 1 of "The Machine Gun" (Chinn, 1951) says: Twelve years from the time the first weapon was produced, the millionth pistol was made. After this fact was engraved on the receiver, the weapon was presented to John M. Browning during the ceremony of the title "Chevalier de l'Ordre de Leopold" by King Albert of Belgium. Sounds like at least 1,000,000 were made..... no picture of the engraved pistol in the book. With all those numbers, FN's production pattern was very uneven, 1st half a million in 9 years, 2nd half a million in 3 years (isn't 500 pistols per day a very high production volume??) Last edited by alvin; 11-27-2008 at 09:51 PM.

06-29-2008, 06:27 AM	#2
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	.... and a 98' commercial. A little bit less seen. Excellent blue with minor rust, minty bore (like-new, minty, excellent, very good, good, fair, and poor. So, the bore is the 2nd grade in my definition). A seller on GB said "finding a old gun with minty bore is like finding a virgin in 80-year-old house." Not really that hard.

06-29-2008, 08:24 AM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The 3rd one, the final one. Like-new bore. Loving of guns starting from this type when I was five. But something is wrong, in my memory, it's super heavy, but this one is feather weight

07-24-2008, 03:03 PM	#5
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Alvin Nice! I like them! Thanks for posting! Vern

10-21-2008, 07:20 PM	#6
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	No problem. Since you like it.... and I like it

11-27-2008, 11:56 AM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,888 Times in 1,187 Posts	For what it's worth, the book on the 100th anniversary of FN by Francotte/Gaier mentions that the 1900 model was produced until 1931. Too bad that they don't give total production figures. There is a new book on FN, sponsored by the company, for it's 125th anniversary.

11-27-2008, 12:58 PM	#10
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	was the price in euro or usd ?

11-27-2008, 08:18 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,888 Times in 1,187 Posts	That's the one. It has been printed in both an English and a French version. Both have the same title.

01-06-2009, 10:22 PM	#14
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Use the sold AK and HR money, not counting my shipping cost, just did a 2:1 conversion.... those two were converted to one of these in the picture (actually, the back one, 1% better than the front one). AK price is soaring and Broom's price is dropping these days..... anyway, if I had thought too much, I would not acquired anything. Attached Thumbnails

02-28-2009, 02:31 PM	#15
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Finally, adopted a German military gun. All my Parabellums came from forum members, thanks! Attached Thumbnails Last edited by alvin; 03-01-2009 at 09:21 AM. Reason: Top is too dark. Hard to operate with two light sources

03-13-2009, 08:16 PM	#16
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	For those of you who can tell subtle difference between gun finish.... it's a salt blued bolo made in 1929. Mauser was about to say good bye to baby broom and restore their long barrels. Movie "Lust Caution" (2008), C96 carried by the guards of Chinese collaborationist government. Historically, Imperial Japanese Army issued large number of Mausers to Chinese collaborationist government (Japanese supported, 1940-1945). And a few Japanese trading companies were important arm suppliers to Chinese warlords in 1920s. Ironically, Japanese kept inferior Nambu pistols for their own use during the Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945). It's not surprising that Japanese had some C96s. Right side is an original bolo brought back by a US Major from Japan, with mismatched but period correct original "banner" bolo stock. Tanaka Kakuei was Japanese Prime Minister 1972-1974. During Sino-Japanese War, he served as a political officer in an Imperial army unit stationed in Northern China. In 1944, he "bribed" local communist guerilla leader by giving the latter two brand new C96s as gift in exchange of the guerilla not attacking his men. Not this gun though

09-30-2010, 07:30 PM	#17
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Birthday gift of 2010. Attached Thumbnails

09-30-2010, 08:23 PM	#18
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 455 Thanks: 3,890 Thanked 101 Times in 81 Posts	Alvin, Crikey (really..no sh*t) where have you been or rather, where are you? Found this post, thimking it wuz frum you most recently and looked at the dates. It wuz frum years ago. I/we miss you. Stay in touch. pitsword

09-30-2010, 08:44 PM	#19
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	I must be missing something....how can you own ANY guns in Beijing??????

09-30-2010, 09:16 PM	#20
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Well, I have legs ..... I can run here and there Tired though. Hope I can have a stable life.