7,65X19

ESKO · 05-22-2001, 11:14 PM

I HAVE REPARELLED PARABELLUM FOR 7,65x19 CARTRIDGE

CARTRIDGE IS MADE FROM 9x19 CASE.

RCBS 7,65 PARABELLUM DIES ARE SHORTENED 2,8mm

THESE CASES WE USED AS A HEAD SPACE GAUGE AND CAMBER WAS

MADE WITH 7,65 PARABELLUM REAMER, INAF FREE BORE WAS MADE

WITH ,30 CALIBER FREE BORE REAMER.BARREL IS PIECE

FROM TIKKA 308WIN SPORTER.

I USE STANDARD SMAL PISTOL PRIMER CCI/WINCHESTER.

POWDER WIHTAVUORI N340 4,4GRAIN

BULLET LEE 100GRAIN SIZED ,311

LOADED LENGHT 29,5mm

.

FEEDING IS EXELENT IN PARABELLUM, LOADING IS JUS

STRONG INAF TO LOCK THA TOGLE BACK AFTER LAST SHOT.

NOW I DO HAVE ENDLES SUPPLY OF CASES (9x19) AND

I CAN SHOOT MY PARABELLUM ANYWHERE AND NO BROBLEM

OF LOST CASES.

HAS ANY ONE MADE SAME?

Patrick · 05-23-2001, 02:29 AM

Esko - sounds good. Patrick

G.T. · 05-23-2001, 07:42 AM

Hi esko, I think your .30 short is a great idea! I have some questions about the cartridge? At 29.5 mm loaded length, how much shorter is it then a standard .30 luger?

Do you think it is balistically close to the .30 luger, trajectory, velocity, etc?.... (the .308 is very close to the 30,06 for example), what is the barrel length? Can you form the case in one operation, or do you have to do it in progressive steps? Do you have to trim at all because of the forming? Have you tried lighter bullets? I am very interested in your results, as I love to shoot, but hate to hunt for brass! Thanks, till....later.....G.T.

Thor · 05-23-2001, 09:34 PM

AND.....using a little heavier cast bullet, say 100-110 gr bullet will help with recoil impetus and overall length of the loaded round! Thor

HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr · 05-30-2001, 03:51 PM

Hi

I have rebuilt a number of lugers,and mostly with heavyer oktagon barrels in order to get better balance.

We tried the 7,65x19 some years ago and discoverd a number of problems .

1. the cases often separated at the neck, leaving the neck in the chamber.

2. the preasure due to the low recoilimpulse with the low weight bullet had to be kept high in order to have the gun to cycle.

The preasure actually got that high that the fork on this DWM luger got bent downwards.

The 7,65x19 might work if you have a weak recoilspring and low barrelweigth, but i belives it's better to use 7,65 para or even better 9x19.

Regards HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr

www.vapensmedjan.com

http://www.vapensmedjan.com
http://www.vapensmedjan.com

Frank · 05-31-2001, 12:26 PM

Since you apply the "new" sights, I am sure the rear adjustable sight holds it's position after many firings. Have you history on the number of rounds before the need to realign the rear sight? I think your sight picture is exquisite. I am presently making my 1917 DWM sight picture similar, only with fixed sights. I'll post a photo when I finish.

HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr · 05-31-2001, 10:51 PM

I shoot very activly with my Luger with a Bomar sight on.

We have earlyer tried other sigths as well but as the togglemovement is really tough and fast all other sights have been shaken loose within a few hundreds rounds.

Well the Bomar works perfect.

Today we are silversolder them on, but I have orderd new reartoggles with the bomar base machined in one piece.

Its a strengtend toggle by the way machined in the worst toughest swedish toolsteel I could found.

And this way I hope to come over the problems with cracked toggles, wish is all to common on ALL lugers.

I have shoot tousands of rounds with my sight witouth having it to fall off.

Regareds HÃ?Â¥kan

http://www.vapensmedjan.com

05-22-2001, 11:14 PM	#1
ESKO User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: helsinki Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	7,65X19 I HAVE REPARELLED PARABELLUM FOR 7,65x19 CARTRIDGE CARTRIDGE IS MADE FROM 9x19 CASE. RCBS 7,65 PARABELLUM DIES ARE SHORTENED 2,8mm THESE CASES WE USED AS A HEAD SPACE GAUGE AND CAMBER WAS MADE WITH 7,65 PARABELLUM REAMER, INAF FREE BORE WAS MADE WITH ,30 CALIBER FREE BORE REAMER.BARREL IS PIECE FROM TIKKA 308WIN SPORTER. I USE STANDARD SMAL PISTOL PRIMER CCI/WINCHESTER. POWDER WIHTAVUORI N340 4,4GRAIN BULLET LEE 100GRAIN SIZED ,311 LOADED LENGHT 29,5mm . FEEDING IS EXELENT IN PARABELLUM, LOADING IS JUS STRONG INAF TO LOCK THA TOGLE BACK AFTER LAST SHOT. NOW I DO HAVE ENDLES SUPPLY OF CASES (9x19) AND I CAN SHOOT MY PARABELLUM ANYWHERE AND NO BROBLEM OF LOST CASES. HAS ANY ONE MADE SAME?

05-23-2001, 02:29 AM	#2
Patrick User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 241 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 7,65X19 Esko - sounds good. Patrick

05-23-2001, 07:42 AM	#3
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,485 Thanks: 1,283 Thanked 3,582 Times in 989 Posts	Re: 7,65X19 Hi esko, I think your .30 short is a great idea! I have some questions about the cartridge? At 29.5 mm loaded length, how much shorter is it then a standard .30 luger? Do you think it is balistically close to the .30 luger, trajectory, velocity, etc?.... (the .308 is very close to the 30,06 for example), what is the barrel length? Can you form the case in one operation, or do you have to do it in progressive steps? Do you have to trim at all because of the forming? Have you tried lighter bullets? I am very interested in your results, as I love to shoot, but hate to hunt for brass! Thanks, till....later.....G.T.

05-23-2001, 09:34 PM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: 7,65X19 AND.....using a little heavier cast bullet, say 100-110 gr bullet will help with recoil impetus and overall length of the loaded round! Thor

05-30-2001, 03:51 PM	#5
HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 7,65X19 Hi I have rebuilt a number of lugers,and mostly with heavyer oktagon barrels in order to get better balance. We tried the 7,65x19 some years ago and discoverd a number of problems . 1. the cases often separated at the neck, leaving the neck in the chamber. 2. the preasure due to the low recoilimpulse with the low weight bullet had to be kept high in order to have the gun to cycle. The preasure actually got that high that the fork on this DWM luger got bent downwards. The 7,65x19 might work if you have a weak recoilspring and low barrelweigth, but i belives it's better to use 7,65 para or even better 9x19. Regards HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr www.vapensmedjan.com http://www.vapensmedjan.com http://www.vapensmedjan.com

05-31-2001, 12:26 PM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hakan, Great Website !!! Since you apply the "new" sights, I am sure the rear adjustable sight holds it's position after many firings. Have you history on the number of rounds before the need to realign the rear sight? I think your sight picture is exquisite. I am presently making my 1917 DWM sight picture similar, only with fixed sights. I'll post a photo when I finish.

05-31-2001, 10:51 PM	#7
HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hakan, Great Website !!! I shoot very activly with my Luger with a Bomar sight on. We have earlyer tried other sigths as well but as the togglemovement is really tough and fast all other sights have been shaken loose within a few hundreds rounds. Well the Bomar works perfect. Today we are silversolder them on, but I have orderd new reartoggles with the bomar base machined in one piece. Its a strengtend toggle by the way machined in the worst toughest swedish toolsteel I could found. And this way I hope to come over the problems with cracked toggles, wish is all to common on ALL lugers. I have shoot tousands of rounds with my sight witouth having it to fall off. Regareds HÃ?Â¥kan http://www.vapensmedjan.com