Family Find

janders · 07-13-2003, 02:41 PM

I was recently given a family heirloom. This pistol was brought back from Germany after the second world war by a great uncle. He was not all that interested in shooting or collecting guns, so this souvenir of his "trip" sat locked away for roughly 60 years after his return, along with a few other "liberated" items. During this time it has rarely seen the light of day, and definitely has not been modified.

I've spent the morning researching what I can about the gun. I was hoping you could help tell me about his piece of history. About all I've figured out in the past few hours is that it is an Artillery Luger <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .

Unfortunately the only good photos I got of this gun are side views... but I can describe the rest in detail (or attempt to take better pictures!) at your request.

Here are the details that cannot be seen:

The top of the gun is stamped with the DWM logo in script, and two dates just below the front adjustable site. The topmost date is deeper, and reads "1920." The lower date is not as deep, and reads "1917."

The right side of the gun has 4 proof marks, which I interpreted as a German military receiver proof, DWM, 1914-1918. That's proof number 15 on this site.

Underneath the barrel is a serial number (the same as the rest of the gun), and a lowercase, script "l" under that.

All of the serial numbers match, except for the magazine. On the metal part of the grip, underneath the trigger area, there is an engraving that reads "A. W. 36"

Some of the strawing is left, but no bluing. It looks almost as if it was never blued, in that most of the gun is shiny metal, with some dull grey areas (the barrel mainly).

Here are the pictures I took:
<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaleft.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaleft.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>
<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaright.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaright.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>
<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaleather.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaleather.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>
Thanks so much for your help! I'm having quite a bit of fun researching this pistol.
-Jon Anderson

Edward Tinker · 07-13-2003, 02:55 PM

Hello Jon!

Here is a quick run-down;

The top of the gun is stamped with the DWM logo in script This is the manufacturer

"1920." The lower date is not as deep, and reads "1917." Was first made in 1917, then the 1920 is a property mark by the Weimar republic.

Proofs are probably consistant with Imperial proofs and acceptance marks.

Serial number and lowercase, script "l" go togther as the SN.

All of the serial numbers match, except for the magazine. On the metal part of the grip, underneath the trigger area, there is an engraving that reads "A. W. 36" This is probably a unit marking, and can be interpreted, I would have to look it up, and I bet someone already has,

Some of the strawing is left, but no bluing. I would guess it was stripped and just never refisnihed? Since it was a WW1 gun, then a Weimar accepted, they would not have left it "in the white".

Very nice gun, how is the bore?
I imagine it will make a dandy shooter I am sure.

I collect stories like this, if you'd like to share it further and let me get any more of the story?? I would love to use these pictures in my booklet, I would appreciate it.

Ed

mauro · 07-13-2003, 03:07 PM

It is possible to have a picture of the holster. It seems not the standard one.
Ciao

Dwight Gruber · 07-13-2003, 09:22 PM

It looks to me like the rust spots are coming out from "under" a coating. I would say that the gun was nickel-plated a -very- long time ago. It was not an uncommon practice for victorious soldiers to "subjugate" their war trophies this way. The non-standard holster is additional suggestion that at one point--perhaps before it came into the hands of your great uncle--it was posessed by someone who had a more active interest in it than he did.

Do you know if it has been kept in its holster during the ensuing years? That might account for the dull appearance of the nickel and the rust.

Considering the nature of the rust, it looks like conservatory measures are in order to halt further deterioration. The presence of nickel plating complicates the process.

Nickel-plating was definitely not an original German finish for these pistols. You would not be reducing its authenticity by stripping the plating from the pistol (chemically/electrically, not by buffing!!!) and eliminating the rust preparatory to restoriong it. There is a cost involved in the stripping and finish restoration which you may or may not want to incur.

You could respect the condition of the gun as it was brought back by your great-uncle. Neutralizing and removing the rust with the nickel intact is probably a bit more complicated and delicate. It looks like the surface of the nickel is pretty heavily "oxidized" (if that is, indeed, what nickel does), you may or may not want to polish it.

There are other people on this forum, professional Luger restorers, gunsmiths, and metallurgists, who can probably tell you in some detail how to actually accomplish whatever conservatory method you choose, and help you once you have decided.

Sorry to have jumped ahead. A unit-marked, Weimar property-marked Artillery with its original barrel is an uncommon piece, and you are indeed fortunate to own it, particularly considering that it is part of your family history. The rust is troublesome, and should be dealt with.

--Dwight

janders · 07-13-2003, 10:10 PM

>>Very nice gun, how is the bore?

It looks pretty nice to me... a small amount of oxidation can be seen in the rifling If you tell me what to look for, I can tell you better!

>>I collect stories like this, if you'd like to share it further and let me get any more of the story??

I'll see what I can do about getting more story... unfortuantly most of the people in the know died long ago.

>>>It is possible to have a picture of the holster. It seems not the standard one

I can take more images from more angles. Anything specific you want me to look for?

>>Do you know if it has been kept in its holster during the ensuing years?

Sadly, i know it has been kept in its holster, in a basement, for at least a decade, if not 30 years.

Would it make any sense to think it might have been Nickled by whomever used it in Germany between the fall of the Weimar republic and my uncle's aquisition in late 44 / early 45?

Also, if anyone knows what the AW 36 Stamp stands for, I'd love to know!

Thanks so much for your replies

Dwight Gruber · 07-13-2003, 11:35 PM

If you have not cleaned the barrel, its condition may be masked by the years of neglect. Pick up a cleaning rod, a brush for 9mm, some patches, and some Hoppes bore cleaner, and ask for a basic lesson on how to use them. Once clean you will have a much better idea of its true condition.

A.W.36 is probably Artillerie Werkstatt (workshop), weapon number 36. This is a vey superficial reading, there may be more to it than that, but this is all that my source material says.

To be generous, there is no way to know what use this Luger was put to (having escaped the furnaces of disarmament), or who owned it, between the fall of the Weimer Republic and 1945. The fact that it was property marked means that it was in Government hands, rather than in posession of a member of the public. The fact that it does not have a sear safety, has its original barrel, and is not police unit marked; means that it was not pressed into police service. It could simply have spent those years in storage somewhere.

Clues to its mystery may lie with the holster. Are there any markings on it?

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 07-13-2003, 11:38 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Would it make any sense to think it might have been Nickled by whomever used it in Germany between the fall of the Weimar republic and my uncle's aquisition in late 44 / early 45? <hr /></blockquote>The chances of that is practically nill, they are just stories that "Officers" had nickled guns, and it was not allowed for military and if you think about it, you wouldn't want a bright shiny gun! :yikes: So, it is very possible it was nickled right after arrival, before it left Germany, etc., but not likely that it was done by the gov't or military.

I will check my books tonight for your unit, making dinner right now, or supposed to be doing that!!

Ed

janders · 07-14-2003, 12:26 AM

>>Clues to its mystery may lie with the holster. Are there any markings on it?

There is not a single marking on the holster. And its not exactly the finest in craftmanship. You can click the image above for a slighty better view of it!

>>you wouldn't want a bright shiny gun!

Definetly agreed. Might as well put a neon "Please shoot me" sign above your head.

Thanks again for the help guys. This gun history business is more fun than it looks

lugerholsterrepair · 07-14-2003, 12:38 AM

Janders, Welcome to the Luger Forum! This looks nickle plated to me. Where the dark spots are if there is rust you should be able to see some lifting of the plating.

Our own Forum Member Thor does an excellent job of restoring these with the original rust blue and strawing. This would be an excellent candidate for this. It would make it beautiful again and as close to original as it is ever going to get. His work is the best I have ever seen.Take a look at the topic, TLSS Outgoing to get an idea of what people have to say... Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 07-14-2003, 11:03 AM

Jon, I originally posted to your first posting and everyone else posted to your second attempt so I have moved my comments here and deleted your duplicate posting.

Welcome to the Lugerforum... and thanks for sharing photos of your prize...

Your Great Uncle's Luger may have been brought back from WW2, but is actually a gun from WW1 (made by DWM in 1917)with a history...
The "1920" is actually a goverment property designation that was added (in 1920) when the defeated German government was being reorganized.

As you are no doubt aware (since you posted in this forum) This model is called Artillery Luger.

It's caliber should be 9mm.

Despite the fact that this gun has been dormant in some closet for a very long time, it is obvious from the photographs that after it's capture by your Great Uncle and before it was put away, he had the gun nickle plated... This is not a standard military finish. The dark marks in the photos "look like" someone has attempted at some time long ago to have the gun blued without removing the nickle plating... this may have been cold blue...
Since the original finish has been basically destroyed, this gun would be an ideal candidate for restoration by having the nickle plating removed and then having the gun rust blued, and the original strawed parts restrawed... I would recommend that you get in touch with "Thor" who hangs out in the Restoration forum at the bottom of the main discussion page...

This gun would be a great shooter as is, but would be simply beautiful if restored.

The holster is a commercial variety and I believe it would be valuable to some collectors... I will let someone else comment on it's possible value.

Were there any magazines with the gun? or any other accessories?

mauro · 07-14-2003, 11:23 AM

Concerning the holster can you take a picture of the front and another of the back. I appreciate also a front picture w/ the pistol filled in.
Thanks

Thor · 07-14-2003, 11:34 AM

Artillery Lugers are especially nice when restored, that long barrel and the rear sight really set them off! If you are interested in a restoration please contact me at Thor340@aol.com

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janders · 07-14-2003, 01:16 PM

Sorry about the size of the images, I haven't quite learned this forum software yet...

>>>Concerning the holster can you take a picture of the front and another of the back. I appreciate also a front picture w/ the pistol filled in.

Your wish is my command, the pictures are below!
<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaback.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaback.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>
<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsafront.JPG" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsafront.JPG" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>
<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsafull.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsafull.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>
>>Artillery Lugers are especially nice when restored, that long barrel and the rear sight really set them off!

Your work is beautiful! I'll definetly think about getting this gun fixed up

-jsa

Edward Tinker · 07-14-2003, 01:31 PM

Hello again Jon, I don't mind adjusting the pictures, but it is because your resolution is too much, i.e. your pictures are too large for the screen.

It looks like when you made them smaller, you didn't do the entire image but just part of it, thus leaving the "frame" larger. It just takes practice, getting the lighting and such right is hard, I still have a heck of a time.

Here are some pics lightened a bit digitally (over lightened BTW):

Ed

mauro · 07-14-2003, 03:54 PM

Thank you for the holster's pictures. It seems a standard LP08 holster reworked.
Please if you need further information about LP08 history and use please look at my web site.
http://lugerlp08.free.fr/
If you are interested in further information on the LP08 use, models and accessories you can also consider my book.
Ciao

07-13-2003, 02:41 PM	#1
janders New User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Family Find I was recently given a family heirloom. This pistol was brought back from Germany after the second world war by a great uncle. He was not all that interested in shooting or collecting guns, so this souvenir of his "trip" sat locked away for roughly 60 years after his return, along with a few other "liberated" items. During this time it has rarely seen the light of day, and definitely has not been modified. I've spent the morning researching what I can about the gun. I was hoping you could help tell me about his piece of history. About all I've figured out in the past few hours is that it is an Artillery Luger <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . Unfortunately the only good photos I got of this gun are side views... but I can describe the rest in detail (or attempt to take better pictures!) at your request. Here are the details that cannot be seen: The top of the gun is stamped with the DWM logo in script, and two dates just below the front adjustable site. The topmost date is deeper, and reads "1920." The lower date is not as deep, and reads "1917." The right side of the gun has 4 proof marks, which I interpreted as a German military receiver proof, DWM, 1914-1918. That's proof number 15 on this site. Underneath the barrel is a serial number (the same as the rest of the gun), and a lowercase, script "l" under that. All of the serial numbers match, except for the magazine. On the metal part of the grip, underneath the trigger area, there is an engraving that reads "A. W. 36" Some of the strawing is left, but no bluing. It looks almost as if it was never blued, in that most of the gun is shiny metal, with some dull grey areas (the barrel mainly). Here are the pictures I took: <a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaleft.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaleft.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaright.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaright.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaleather.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaleather.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> Thanks so much for your help! I'm having quite a bit of fun researching this pistol. -Jon Anderson

07-13-2003, 02:55 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Hello Jon! Here is a quick run-down; The top of the gun is stamped with the DWM logo in script This is the manufacturer "1920." The lower date is not as deep, and reads "1917." Was first made in 1917, then the 1920 is a property mark by the Weimar republic. Proofs are probably consistant with Imperial proofs and acceptance marks. Serial number and lowercase, script "l" go togther as the SN. All of the serial numbers match, except for the magazine. On the metal part of the grip, underneath the trigger area, there is an engraving that reads "A. W. 36" This is probably a unit marking, and can be interpreted, I would have to look it up, and I bet someone already has, Some of the strawing is left, but no bluing. I would guess it was stripped and just never refisnihed? Since it was a WW1 gun, then a Weimar accepted, they would not have left it "in the white". Very nice gun, how is the bore? I imagine it will make a dandy shooter I am sure. I collect stories like this, if you'd like to share it further and let me get any more of the story?? I would love to use these pictures in my booklet, I would appreciate it. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-13-2003, 03:07 PM	#3
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	It is possible to have a picture of the holster. It seems not the standard one. Ciao __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

07-13-2003, 11:38 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Would it make any sense to think it might have been Nickled by whomever used it in Germany between the fall of the Weimar republic and my uncle's aquisition in late 44 / early 45? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">The chances of that is practically nill, they are just stories that "Officers" had nickled guns, and it was not allowed for military and if you think about it, you wouldn't want a bright shiny gun! :yikes: So, it is very possible it was nickled right after arrival, before it left Germany, etc., but not likely that it was done by the gov't or military. I will check my books tonight for your unit, making dinner right now, or supposed to be doing that!! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-14-2003, 12:38 AM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,857 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Janders, Welcome to the Luger Forum! This looks nickle plated to me. Where the dark spots are if there is rust you should be able to see some lifting of the plating. Our own Forum Member Thor does an excellent job of restoring these with the original rust blue and strawing. This would be an excellent candidate for this. It would make it beautiful again and as close to original as it is ever going to get. His work is the best I have ever seen.Take a look at the topic, TLSS Outgoing to get an idea of what people have to say... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-13-2003, 09:22 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	It looks to me like the rust spots are coming out from "under" a coating. I would say that the gun was nickel-plated a -very- long time ago. It was not an uncommon practice for victorious soldiers to "subjugate" their war trophies this way. The non-standard holster is additional suggestion that at one point--perhaps before it came into the hands of your great uncle--it was posessed by someone who had a more active interest in it than he did. Do you know if it has been kept in its holster during the ensuing years? That might account for the dull appearance of the nickel and the rust. Considering the nature of the rust, it looks like conservatory measures are in order to halt further deterioration. The presence of nickel plating complicates the process. Nickel-plating was definitely not an original German finish for these pistols. You would not be reducing its authenticity by stripping the plating from the pistol (chemically/electrically, not by buffing!!!) and eliminating the rust preparatory to restoriong it. There is a cost involved in the stripping and finish restoration which you may or may not want to incur. You could respect the condition of the gun as it was brought back by your great-uncle. Neutralizing and removing the rust with the nickel intact is probably a bit more complicated and delicate. It looks like the surface of the nickel is pretty heavily "oxidized" (if that is, indeed, what nickel does), you may or may not want to polish it. There are other people on this forum, professional Luger restorers, gunsmiths, and metallurgists, who can probably tell you in some detail how to actually accomplish whatever conservatory method you choose, and help you once you have decided. Sorry to have jumped ahead. A unit-marked, Weimar property-marked Artillery with its original barrel is an uncommon piece, and you are indeed fortunate to own it, particularly considering that it is part of your family history. The rust is troublesome, and should be dealt with. --Dwight

07-13-2003, 10:10 PM	#5
janders New User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	>>Very nice gun, how is the bore? It looks pretty nice to me... a small amount of oxidation can be seen in the rifling If you tell me what to look for, I can tell you better! >>I collect stories like this, if you'd like to share it further and let me get any more of the story?? I'll see what I can do about getting more story... unfortuantly most of the people in the know died long ago. >>>It is possible to have a picture of the holster. It seems not the standard one I can take more images from more angles. Anything specific you want me to look for? >>Do you know if it has been kept in its holster during the ensuing years? Sadly, i know it has been kept in its holster, in a basement, for at least a decade, if not 30 years. Would it make any sense to think it might have been Nickled by whomever used it in Germany between the fall of the Weimar republic and my uncle's aquisition in late 44 / early 45? Also, if anyone knows what the AW 36 Stamp stands for, I'd love to know! Thanks so much for your replies

07-13-2003, 11:35 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	If you have not cleaned the barrel, its condition may be masked by the years of neglect. Pick up a cleaning rod, a brush for 9mm, some patches, and some Hoppes bore cleaner, and ask for a basic lesson on how to use them. Once clean you will have a much better idea of its true condition. A.W.36 is probably Artillerie Werkstatt (workshop), weapon number 36. This is a vey superficial reading, there may be more to it than that, but this is all that my source material says. To be generous, there is no way to know what use this Luger was put to (having escaped the furnaces of disarmament), or who owned it, between the fall of the Weimer Republic and 1945. The fact that it was property marked means that it was in Government hands, rather than in posession of a member of the public. The fact that it does not have a sear safety, has its original barrel, and is not police unit marked; means that it was not pressed into police service. It could simply have spent those years in storage somewhere. Clues to its mystery may lie with the holster. Are there any markings on it? --Dwight

07-14-2003, 12:26 AM	#8
janders New User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	>>Clues to its mystery may lie with the holster. Are there any markings on it? There is not a single marking on the holster. And its not exactly the finest in craftmanship. You can click the image above for a slighty better view of it! >>you wouldn't want a bright shiny gun! Definetly agreed. Might as well put a neon "Please shoot me" sign above your head. Thanks again for the help guys. This gun history business is more fun than it looks

07-14-2003, 11:03 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Jon, I originally posted to your first posting and everyone else posted to your second attempt so I have moved my comments here and deleted your duplicate posting. Welcome to the Lugerforum... and thanks for sharing photos of your prize... Your Great Uncle's Luger may have been brought back from WW2, but is actually a gun from WW1 (made by DWM in 1917)with a history... The "1920" is actually a goverment property designation that was added (in 1920) when the defeated German government was being reorganized. As you are no doubt aware (since you posted in this forum) This model is called Artillery Luger. It's caliber should be 9mm. Despite the fact that this gun has been dormant in some closet for a very long time, it is obvious from the photographs that after it's capture by your Great Uncle and before it was put away, he had the gun nickle plated... This is not a standard military finish. The dark marks in the photos "look like" someone has attempted at some time long ago to have the gun blued without removing the nickle plating... this may have been cold blue... Since the original finish has been basically destroyed, this gun would be an ideal candidate for restoration by having the nickle plating removed and then having the gun rust blued, and the original strawed parts restrawed... I would recommend that you get in touch with "Thor" who hangs out in the Restoration forum at the bottom of the main discussion page... This gun would be a great shooter as is, but would be simply beautiful if restored. The holster is a commercial variety and I believe it would be valuable to some collectors... I will let someone else comment on it's possible value. Were there any magazines with the gun? or any other accessories? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-14-2003, 11:23 AM	#11
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Concerning the holster can you take a picture of the front and another of the back. I appreciate also a front picture w/ the pistol filled in. Thanks __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

07-14-2003, 11:34 AM	#12
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Artillery Lugers are especially nice when restored, that long barrel and the rear sight really set them off! If you are interested in a restoration please contact me at Thor340@aol.com <a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MM1914Erfurt1.JPG" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MM1914Erfurt1.JPG" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/TLSS_banner.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/TLSS_banner.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

07-14-2003, 01:16 PM	#13
janders New User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry about the size of the images, I haven't quite learned this forum software yet... >>>Concerning the holster can you take a picture of the front and another of the back. I appreciate also a front picture w/ the pistol filled in. Your wish is my command, the pictures are below! <a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaback.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsaback.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsafront.JPG" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsafront.JPG" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsafull.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/jsafull.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> >>Artillery Lugers are especially nice when restored, that long barrel and the rear sight really set them off! Your work is beautiful! I'll definetly think about getting this gun fixed up -jsa

07-14-2003, 01:31 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Hello again Jon, I don't mind adjusting the pictures, but it is because your resolution is too much, i.e. your pictures are too large for the screen. It looks like when you made them smaller, you didn't do the entire image but just part of it, thus leaving the "frame" larger. It just takes practice, getting the lighting and such right is hard, I still have a heck of a time. Here are some pics lightened a bit digitally (over lightened BTW): Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-14-2003, 03:54 PM	#15
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Thank you for the holster's pictures. It seems a standard LP08 holster reworked. Please if you need further information about LP08 history and use please look at my web site. http://lugerlp08.free.fr/ If you are interested in further information on the LP08 use, models and accessories you can also consider my book. Ciao __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.