Norinco Luger at Simpsons

nukem556 · 02-05-2014, 05:51 PM

Under the new additions today on Simpsons, they've got one of supposedly only 2 Chinese Norinco Lugers known, for 1995.00.....one wonders if this might be a gun that will significantly increase in value, or just be seen as an oddity?

Edward Tinker · 02-05-2014, 06:15 PM

I'd heard they made a few up, but couldn't have been very many.

I would think too low of a number to go way up in price. But I would not mind having one - just not the best time to do so

Bill_in_VA · 02-05-2014, 10:42 PM

Speaking of the new additions, I kind of like that nickeled P.08 too...but not at that price. I always thought it'd be fun to have a nickel-plated Luger shooter with ivory grips. (Does this make me a bad person??? :-D )

nukem556 · 02-05-2014, 11:28 PM

No, no Bill...it doesn't make you a bad person! Just one with really bad taste !

P.S....get rid of those Bee Gees disco albums

stressed · 02-05-2014, 11:51 PM

I just couldnt muster myself to own one saying MADE IN CHINA on the side. Then again it would probably feed and eat the strongest ammo you could throw at it.

Vlim · 02-06-2014, 02:10 PM

Cute! this is number 1002, 1001 resides in Belgium and I handled and photographed it for our book a few years ago. According to Norconia, the firm's representative in Germany, only 2 were made and one was supposedly damaged during tests.

Edward Tinker · 02-06-2014, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill_in_VA

Speaking of the new additions, I kind of like that nickeled P.08 too...but not at that price. I always thought it'd be fun to have a nickel-plated Luger shooter with ivory grips. (Does this make me a bad person??? :-D )

I think every luger owner should have one

saab-bob · 02-06-2014, 02:53 PM

Mauro
I see they gave you credit for your wonderful book!
Since the Chinese only made 2,they must have figured out even they couldn't make any money on a reproduction luger.
Bob

Curss · 02-06-2014, 06:54 PM

Too bad they didn't continue forward. Might make decent shooters if they went ahead with production. Did they also make a few C96 Mausers?

Tinplatejeff · 02-07-2014, 02:25 AM

It's now listed as SOLD.

Sergio Natali · 02-07-2014, 03:55 AM

They can copy absolutely anything, and they can do it pretty well, long time ago I bought a Norinco 1911 second hand to say the least, it had been used and abused BUT did shoot really well.

I would also say that they sell a lot of their clones also because we seem to have lost our good taste for the "originals" ...

One day we' ll discover that they are reproducing even the Colosseum ... unfortunately :-(

alvin · 02-07-2014, 07:43 PM

Norinco's pistol always appears like a reblued one, even at NIB condition. Not only Luger, but also Tokarev -- even in new condition, it looks like ice-cream exposed in summer hot weather too long and starts melting. Some SKS also appears that way. I guess this Luger was made by a small factory in southern China (Norinco is just a trader, not a maker), sanded the gun surface heavily by hand before dumping into blue tank, so, with this appearance.

Those factories were built following Russian style, focusing on cost and basic function. If you tell them western commercial guns having better appearance, they would say, "well,,, they cannot build guns at my cost". Undeniably, that's an advantage. Regarding retail price $1995, of course, most of that $$ was not Norinco's profit. If it were so profitable for them, they would have continued making it.

nukem556 · 02-07-2014, 10:26 PM

I was kinda relieved to see it already sold....I was tempted! Granted, it has no German/Swiss pedigree, but if it is truly one of only two of a Luger variation known to exist, it should be a good investment.

alvin · 02-08-2014, 07:29 AM

It has not been marked "ON HOLD", so most likely it's still available. If like it, then buy it, IMO. In Luger context, relatively speaking, $2000 is not a huge number today. Any Luger with special points can easily priced above $2000. And, since it's listed by Simpson, they wouldn't lower the price every week, combined with supply being so limited, nowhere else to find such a piece. So, if like it, it's only $2000. Think this way: there are countless number of collectors having $2000 budget, but there are only two Norinco Lugers made.

nukem556 · 02-08-2014, 01:08 PM

No, the pistol is, and has been, marked sold, no changes.

alvin · 02-08-2014, 02:04 PM

Missed the marking at the bottom earlier. It did!! There are some people collecting Norinco. This is a special one.

lugersrkewl · 02-08-2014, 02:31 PM

I woulda bought the heck out of it
snooze and loose

cirelaw · 02-08-2014, 02:44 PM

Why Bother!

Ron Wood · 02-08-2014, 05:50 PM

Don't understand "why bother"?

danielsand · 02-09-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

They can copy absolutely anything, and they can do it pretty well, long time ago I bought a Norinco 1911 second hand to say the least, it had been used and abused BUT did shoot really well.

I would also say that they sell a lot of their clones also because we seem to have lost our good taste for the "originals" ...

One day we' ll discover that they are reproducing even the Colosseum ... unfortunately :-(

Way back when Norinco 1911A1 came out, I had the FFL (not any more), and I couldn't help myself, so I bought one BNIB. All I can tell you,......it's a GREAT 1911! Finish is "two tone", slide slabs are matt, the rest is shiny blue, with the barrel "in white". And in the last few decades that I own it, I did some heavy research on the piece (bought it in 1992).

Few American custom 1911 shops, prefer customizing Norincos. They report that the steel used for these is much better than most low end American 1911s (search and you shall find). Suposedly, the steel came from some railroad tracks that were pulled, and smelted. The pistol is made to EXACT 1911 tolerances, and most original Colt made parts will fit. Shoots great, and if I remember correctly, it was about $250 NIB from the distributor (CSI in Ontario, CA that doesn't exist anymore). I have less than 500 rounds through it, and it still looks like new. Came with cheesy plastic grip, which I threw away, and put a set of Pachs.

If that Luger was made by the same factory (as someone said before, Norinco has MANY production facilities under their name), and same quality control,......I'd be all over it.

02-05-2014, 05:51 PM	#1
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Norinco Luger at Simpsons Under the new additions today on Simpsons, they've got one of supposedly only 2 Chinese Norinco Lugers known, for 1995.00.....one wonders if this might be a gun that will significantly increase in value, or just be seen as an oddity?

02-05-2014, 10:42 PM	#3
Bill_in_VA User Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Southwest Virginia Posts: 373 Thanks: 771 Thanked 554 Times in 198 Posts	Speaking of the new additions, I kind of like that nickeled P.08 too...but not at that price. I always thought it'd be fun to have a nickel-plated Luger shooter with ivory grips. (Does this make me a bad person??? :-D ) Last edited by Bill_in_VA; 02-05-2014 at 11:52 PM. Reason: Spelling

02-06-2014, 02:53 PM	#8
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Mauro I see they gave you credit for your wonderful book! Since the Chinese only made 2,they must have figured out even they couldn't make any money on a reproduction luger. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

02-07-2014, 03:55 AM	#11
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	They can copy absolutely anything, and they can do it pretty well, long time ago I bought a Norinco 1911 second hand to say the least, it had been used and abused BUT did shoot really well. I would also say that they sell a lot of their clones also because we seem to have lost our good taste for the "originals" ... One day we' ll discover that they are reproducing even the Colosseum ... unfortunately :-( __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Don't understand "why bother"? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-05-2014, 06:15 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	I'd heard they made a few up, but couldn't have been very many. I would think too low of a number to go way up in price. But I would not mind having one - just not the best time to do so

02-05-2014, 11:28 PM	#4
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	No, no Bill...it doesn't make you a bad person! Just one with really bad taste ! P.S....get rid of those Bee Gees disco albums

02-05-2014, 11:51 PM	#5
stressed User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 197 Thanks: 41 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	I just couldnt muster myself to own one saying MADE IN CHINA on the side. Then again it would probably feed and eat the strongest ammo you could throw at it.

02-06-2014, 02:10 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Cute! this is number 1002, 1001 resides in Belgium and I handled and photographed it for our book a few years ago. According to Norconia, the firm's representative in Germany, only 2 were made and one was supposedly damaged during tests.

02-06-2014, 06:54 PM	#9
Curss User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 303 Thanks: 304 Thanked 98 Times in 75 Posts	Too bad they didn't continue forward. Might make decent shooters if they went ahead with production. Did they also make a few C96 Mausers?

02-07-2014, 02:25 AM	#10
Tinplatejeff User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Indiana Posts: 68 Thanks: 77 Thanked 44 Times in 23 Posts	It's now listed as SOLD.

02-07-2014, 07:43 PM	#12
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Norinco's pistol always appears like a reblued one, even at NIB condition. Not only Luger, but also Tokarev -- even in new condition, it looks like ice-cream exposed in summer hot weather too long and starts melting. Some SKS also appears that way. I guess this Luger was made by a small factory in southern China (Norinco is just a trader, not a maker), sanded the gun surface heavily by hand before dumping into blue tank, so, with this appearance. Those factories were built following Russian style, focusing on cost and basic function. If you tell them western commercial guns having better appearance, they would say, "well,,, they cannot build guns at my cost". Undeniably, that's an advantage. Regarding retail price $1995, of course, most of that $$ was not Norinco's profit. If it were so profitable for them, they would have continued making it.

02-07-2014, 10:26 PM	#13
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	I was kinda relieved to see it already sold....I was tempted! Granted, it has no German/Swiss pedigree, but if it is truly one of only two of a Luger variation known to exist, it should be a good investment.

02-08-2014, 07:29 AM	#14
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	It has not been marked "ON HOLD", so most likely it's still available. If like it, then buy it, IMO. In Luger context, relatively speaking, $2000 is not a huge number today. Any Luger with special points can easily priced above $2000. And, since it's listed by Simpson, they wouldn't lower the price every week, combined with supply being so limited, nowhere else to find such a piece. So, if like it, it's only $2000. Think this way: there are countless number of collectors having $2000 budget, but there are only two Norinco Lugers made.

02-08-2014, 01:08 PM	#15
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	No, the pistol is, and has been, marked sold, no changes.

02-08-2014, 02:04 PM	#16
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Missed the marking at the bottom earlier. It did!! There are some people collecting Norinco. This is a special one.

02-08-2014, 02:31 PM	#17
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	I woulda bought the heck out of it snooze and loose

02-08-2014, 02:44 PM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Why Bother!