New Member & my newly bought 41 byf 'Black Widow'

Sky Zero · 10-12-2012, 05:35 PM

I've already posted a few pictures of my luger today but those were close up shots on certain parts asking technical questions. I just thought I might as well post the entire thing. Enjoy! Oh, and sorry for the picture overload.

Sky Zero · 10-12-2012, 06:03 PM

also, picked her up for 2k. Did I get jipped?

DavidJayUden · 10-12-2012, 06:23 PM

There are a few parts that show suspicously little bluing wear, but I'm going to assume that it is just the photos (or my old eyes...). To me $2k for a late P08 seems borderline on the high side, but if the finish is original and all numbers match (except mag, grips) then it is no ordinary old warhorse. Enjoy!
dju

Sky Zero · 10-12-2012, 06:42 PM

Yup I think it's just the photos! All parts matching, grips are authentic and so is mag (no serial number on mag (it's an fxo) and the grips don't have one either but somebody put 'byf 02' on the inside of them Here's another one up close of whatever area of the luger this is (receiver block? )

mrerick · 10-12-2012, 07:06 PM

James,

You should find the number "5" stamped on the inside of the trigger plate.

Marc

Sky Zero · 10-12-2012, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

James,

You should find the number "5" stamped on the inside of the trigger plate.

Marc

what does that indicate? What does it mean without the 5 there?

Nomadr · 10-12-2012, 09:19 PM

I wouldn't say you got ripped off, but you did pay top dollar! Good news is the price on these original finished Lugers will always appreciate. So you will not lose out over time.

What is the serial number with suffix under the barrel on the frame?

Bob

Sky Zero · 10-12-2012, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomadr

I wouldn't say you got ripped off, but you did pay top dollar! Good news is the price on these original finished Lugers will always appreciate. So you will not lose out over time.

What is the serial number with suffix under the barrel on the frame?

Bob

Well I'm glad to know I didn't get ripped! And yes I paid top dollar from what it sounds like others have paid, but it was the best deal for the quality on Gun Broker so ah well. It's something I'll have my entire life so what the heck, ya know? Its also an all matching luger minus the fxo magazine which could indeed be original to the gun.

402 is the serial number and the suffex looks to be an L, I think. Cursive, of course. Could be a cursive I but I'm pretty sure it's an L

Balder · 10-13-2012, 05:13 AM

Nice gun, but has it been refinished? The firing pin appears blued.

Balder

DavidJayUden · 10-13-2012, 08:41 AM

Balder:
I agree that some of the small stuff looks like it just came out of the bluing tank. But then other parts, side plate, etc, show very light but honest bluing wear. It is a tough call.
Sky:
If it is important to you to know if the finish has been messed with, I'd like to see more photos, including better light on the firing pin, the underside of the toggle, side of the toggle assy, etc. Natural light, no flash.
Regardless, it is a nice late P08.
dju

Sky Zero · 10-13-2012, 08:12 PM

Oh man I hope it hasn't been refinished :/ The guy I bought it from said nothing of refinishing work.

I'll snap some pictures tomorrow and post them and then you guys can let me know what you think!

VN Vet · 10-13-2012, 08:17 PM

With Lugers, there is no such thing as picture overload. I love looking at the photos posted on this forum.

CAP Black · 10-14-2012, 12:59 PM

At that price you probably should have gotten athe holster and tool.
Jack

George Anderson · 10-14-2012, 03:32 PM

It looks 100% original with some storage wear on the left side. At the price you paid, you did just fine. Add a holster, tool and second mag to it and it would easilt bring 3K.

Sky Zero · 10-14-2012, 09:32 PM

Ok so I couldn't do natural lighting because it's dark out so I did it under a lamp. If these photos still aren't sufficient to tell if it's been refinished, just say so and i'll go out tomorrow afternoon and shoot some more outside

more coming in a few minutes

Sky Zero · 10-14-2012, 09:42 PM

more coming

Sky Zero · 10-14-2012, 09:48 PM

just a few more

Sky Zero · 10-14-2012, 09:54 PM

DavidJayUden · 10-14-2012, 11:13 PM

You got a keeper. Enjoy!
dju

Sky Zero · 10-14-2012, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

You got a keeper. Enjoy!
dju

so not a refinish?? WOOHOO! Great news!

I've been dreading that response ALL day!

so, would using a silicon wiping cloth on this badboy be ok? I noticed that when applied it makes the finish look like it's been oiled, but then it starts to dry and leaves interesting marks (whipe-offable) on the finish.

10-12-2012, 05:35 PM	#1
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	New Member & my newly bought 41 byf 'Black Widow' I've already posted a few pictures of my luger today but those were close up shots on certain parts asking technical questions. I just thought I might as well post the entire thing. Enjoy! Oh, and sorry for the picture overload.

10-12-2012, 07:06 PM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	James, You should find the number "5" stamped on the inside of the trigger plate. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-12-2012, 06:03 PM	#2
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	also, picked her up for 2k. Did I get jipped?

10-12-2012, 06:23 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	There are a few parts that show suspicously little bluing wear, but I'm going to assume that it is just the photos (or my old eyes...). To me $2k for a late P08 seems borderline on the high side, but if the finish is original and all numbers match (except mag, grips) then it is no ordinary old warhorse. Enjoy! dju

10-12-2012, 06:42 PM	#4
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Yup I think it's just the photos! All parts matching, grips are authentic and so is mag (no serial number on mag (it's an fxo) and the grips don't have one either but somebody put 'byf 02' on the inside of them Here's another one up close of whatever area of the luger this is (receiver block? )

10-12-2012, 09:19 PM	#7
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	I wouldn't say you got ripped off, but you did pay top dollar! Good news is the price on these original finished Lugers will always appreciate. So you will not lose out over time. What is the serial number with suffix under the barrel on the frame? Bob

10-13-2012, 05:13 AM	#9
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	Nice gun, but has it been refinished? The firing pin appears blued. Balder

10-13-2012, 08:41 AM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Balder: I agree that some of the small stuff looks like it just came out of the bluing tank. But then other parts, side plate, etc, show very light but honest bluing wear. It is a tough call. Sky: If it is important to you to know if the finish has been messed with, I'd like to see more photos, including better light on the firing pin, the underside of the toggle, side of the toggle assy, etc. Natural light, no flash. Regardless, it is a nice late P08. dju

10-13-2012, 08:12 PM	#11
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Oh man I hope it hasn't been refinished :/ The guy I bought it from said nothing of refinishing work. I'll snap some pictures tomorrow and post them and then you guys can let me know what you think!

10-13-2012, 08:17 PM	#12
VN Vet User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 43 Thanks: 7 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	With Lugers, there is no such thing as picture overload. I love looking at the photos posted on this forum.

10-14-2012, 12:59 PM	#13
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	At that price you probably should have gotten athe holster and tool. Jack

10-14-2012, 03:32 PM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	It looks 100% original with some storage wear on the left side. At the price you paid, you did just fine. Add a holster, tool and second mag to it and it would easilt bring 3K.

10-14-2012, 09:32 PM	#15
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Ok so I couldn't do natural lighting because it's dark out so I did it under a lamp. If these photos still aren't sufficient to tell if it's been refinished, just say so and i'll go out tomorrow afternoon and shoot some more outside more coming in a few minutes

10-14-2012, 09:42 PM	#16
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	more coming

10-14-2012, 09:48 PM	#17
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	just a few more

10-14-2012, 09:54 PM	#18
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts

10-14-2012, 11:13 PM	#19
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	You got a keeper. Enjoy! dju