1920 DWM Luger

VincentL · 05-29-2005, 04:28 PM

Hi,
my neighbour offered me this luger that was previously his fathers.

It's a 1920 DWM with all matching numbers (592 if I remember correctly). two magazines with out numbers and a holster with tools inside( what's up with this 28? it is not the serial of this weapon, any chance it doesn't belong to this gun?).
The inside of the bore shows signs of wear, and very very little pecks of rust (weapon was last used in 1944)

I'm not quite sure how to price this weapon and I want to offer my neigbour a fair price. so what is your advice?

Vincent

VincentL · 05-29-2005, 04:29 PM

don't have any other pictures at the moment, for which I'm sorry

LU1900 · 05-29-2005, 05:10 PM

Hello Vincent ,
Welcome , you have a mag from the german navy WWI probabely with the ring bottom and the holster is for the dutch navy luger from 1928 and on the brass the ship-number
With other pics we'll see better.........

VincentL · 05-29-2005, 06:16 PM

Will try to arrange some other picks as soon as possible.
Two more questions,
Could the other magazine be Dutch as well? since it is not marked.
And do the tools belong to the holster? the tools are not marked as well.

drbuster · 05-29-2005, 07:11 PM

What are the markings on the right side of the receiver? A 1920 commercial should have nothing, os sometimes the word "Germany". Look forward to more pictures.

LU1900 · 05-29-2005, 07:15 PM

Well , look on this link about the mag :
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=12104

For the holster , yes the tools could be not marked but belong to this dutch holster
Regards. .Pat

Ron Wood · 05-29-2005, 07:49 PM

Vincent,
Please send an e-mail to me at rwood1@elp.rr.com
I would like to discuss the gun and holster and perhaps purchase the holster if you are interested in assistance with acquiring the outfit from your neighbor.
Ron

VincentL · 05-30-2005, 05:20 AM

Thanks for all the comments so far, will try to send additional pictures as soon as possible.

As for the proof stamps, they look most similar to the stamps found on this site under: proof 3, 31 (the reworked police and army lugers, 1920)
When I post new pictures, I will include pictures of all stamps.

Vincent

Vlim · 05-30-2005, 11:47 AM

Wahoo. That's a nice Dutch navy holster.

Does the DWM have the word 'rust' and an arrow at the safety lever?

VincentL · 05-30-2005, 12:05 PM

no, it says "gesichert", would have been nice though to have been offered a dutch luger.

Vlim · 05-30-2005, 02:18 PM

I still wonder how on earth it got mated with a Dutch navy holster

Pete Ebbink · 05-30-2005, 02:25 PM

Vincent,

The other magazine could only be Dutch if the bottom looks like this, and then if it is, you will need to sell me the magazine...just kidding of course...

VincentL · 05-31-2005, 03:43 AM

before I can sell I have to buy first

Vlim · 05-31-2005, 01:24 PM

Well,

I'd certainly be interested in holster #28, as I have a Dutch luger with pistol number 28....

Ron Wood · 05-31-2005, 03:51 PM

Gerben,
Looks like we both have our eye on the holster! Can't help mentioning that your army Luger would be insulted by being in a navy holster!

Vlim · 06-01-2005, 05:37 PM

Ron,

Shhh. Don't spoil the fun

thegundude · 06-01-2005, 07:26 PM

Wow, he has the holster for your gun? How odd is that?

Ron Wood · 06-01-2005, 11:16 PM

Not odd at all. It isn't the holster for Gerben's gun, it just happens to have the same number. Gerben's gun is an infantry weapon and the holster is for a navy weapon. Ya gotta read the previous posts carefully!

Vlim · 06-03-2005, 04:24 PM

Yep,

Ron is right, the pistol is a land dwellers piece of kit, the holster is a water dwellers piece of kit. The gun is numbered as #28 of the staff of the 11th infantry regiment. The holster was that of gun #28 on one of the Dutch navy vessels.

All in all, it would make a nice pair

saxman · 06-07-2005, 02:09 PM

"What are the markings on the right side of the receiver? A 1920 commercial should have nothing, os sometimes the word "Germany". Look forward to more pictures."

That's because it's not a commercial. The 1920 is the Reichswehr re-date (so-called 'property mark') that allowed the gun to be assembled under the Treaty Of Versailles and used by the police and limited military. The gun was probably put together from several parts guns and is almost certainly of Imperial origin. I have one which is why I know this, as I am definitely not a Luger authority. Mine also has the #31 proofs and 1920 over the chamber. Most were re-rust blued after assembly and are very carefully assembled, tight pistols in excellent service condition even though they are 'Frankenlugers'. I hope they become more collectible someday, but they're great bargains now if you can find one. The problem is, it's very hard to tell one from a recently put-together gun. You have to be able to recognize period finishes and excellent fitting. Mine has a cannon of the correct serial number but wrong suffix to the frame, and force-matched small parts. I would expect some mis-matches on the subject pistol once more is known about it. My frame number is 4084h, which puts it in WWI production in 1916, 17 or 18.

05-29-2005, 04:28 PM	#1
VincentL User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1920 DWM Luger Hi, my neighbour offered me this luger that was previously his fathers. It's a 1920 DWM with all matching numbers (592 if I remember correctly). two magazines with out numbers and a holster with tools inside( what's up with this 28? it is not the serial of this weapon, any chance it doesn't belong to this gun?). The inside of the bore shows signs of wear, and very very little pecks of rust (weapon was last used in 1944) I'm not quite sure how to price this weapon and I want to offer my neigbour a fair price. so what is your advice? Vincent Attached Thumbnails

05-29-2005, 07:15 PM	#6
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 906 Thanks: 39 Thanked 467 Times in 195 Posts	Well , look on this link about the mag : http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=12104 For the holster , yes the tools could be not marked but belong to this dutch holster Regards. .Pat __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

05-29-2005, 07:49 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Vincent, Please send an e-mail to me at rwood1@elp.rr.com I would like to discuss the gun and holster and perhaps purchase the holster if you are interested in assistance with acquiring the outfit from your neighbor. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-31-2005, 03:51 PM	#15
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Gerben, Looks like we both have our eye on the holster! Can't help mentioning that your army Luger would be insulted by being in a navy holster! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-01-2005, 07:26 PM	#17
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Wow, he has the holster for your gun? How odd is that? __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

05-29-2005, 04:29 PM	#2
VincentL User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	don't have any other pictures at the moment, for which I'm sorry

05-29-2005, 05:10 PM	#3
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 906 Thanks: 39 Thanked 467 Times in 195 Posts	Hello Vincent , Welcome , you have a mag from the german navy WWI probabely with the ring bottom and the holster is for the dutch navy luger from 1928 and on the brass the ship-number With other pics we'll see better......... __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

05-29-2005, 06:16 PM	#4
VincentL User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Will try to arrange some other picks as soon as possible. Two more questions, Could the other magazine be Dutch as well? since it is not marked. And do the tools belong to the holster? the tools are not marked as well.

05-29-2005, 07:11 PM	#5
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	What are the markings on the right side of the receiver? A 1920 commercial should have nothing, os sometimes the word "Germany". Look forward to more pictures.

05-30-2005, 05:20 AM	#8
VincentL User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the comments so far, will try to send additional pictures as soon as possible. As for the proof stamps, they look most similar to the stamps found on this site under: proof 3, 31 (the reworked police and army lugers, 1920) When I post new pictures, I will include pictures of all stamps. Vincent

05-30-2005, 11:47 AM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Wahoo. That's a nice Dutch navy holster. Does the DWM have the word 'rust' and an arrow at the safety lever?

05-30-2005, 12:05 PM	#10
VincentL User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	no, it says "gesichert", would have been nice though to have been offered a dutch luger.

05-30-2005, 02:18 PM	#11
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	I still wonder how on earth it got mated with a Dutch navy holster

05-30-2005, 02:25 PM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Vincent, The other magazine could only be Dutch if the bottom looks like this, and then if it is, you will need to sell me the magazine...just kidding of course...

05-31-2005, 03:43 AM	#13
VincentL User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	before I can sell I have to buy first

05-31-2005, 01:24 PM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Well, I'd certainly be interested in holster #28, as I have a Dutch luger with pistol number 28....

06-01-2005, 05:37 PM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Ron, Shhh. Don't spoil the fun

06-01-2005, 11:16 PM	#18
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Not odd at all. It isn't the holster for Gerben's gun, it just happens to have the same number. Gerben's gun is an infantry weapon and the holster is for a navy weapon. Ya gotta read the previous posts carefully! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-03-2005, 04:24 PM	#19
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Yep, Ron is right, the pistol is a land dwellers piece of kit, the holster is a water dwellers piece of kit. The gun is numbered as #28 of the staff of the 11th infantry regiment. The holster was that of gun #28 on one of the Dutch navy vessels. All in all, it would make a nice pair

06-07-2005, 02:09 PM	#20
saxman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 301 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"What are the markings on the right side of the receiver? A 1920 commercial should have nothing, os sometimes the word "Germany". Look forward to more pictures." That's because it's not a commercial. The 1920 is the Reichswehr re-date (so-called 'property mark') that allowed the gun to be assembled under the Treaty Of Versailles and used by the police and limited military. The gun was probably put together from several parts guns and is almost certainly of Imperial origin. I have one which is why I know this, as I am definitely not a Luger authority. Mine also has the #31 proofs and 1920 over the chamber. Most were re-rust blued after assembly and are very carefully assembled, tight pistols in excellent service condition even though they are 'Frankenlugers'. I hope they become more collectible someday, but they're great bargains now if you can find one. The problem is, it's very hard to tell one from a recently put-together gun. You have to be able to recognize period finishes and excellent fitting. Mine has a cannon of the correct serial number but wrong suffix to the frame, and force-matched small parts. I would expect some mis-matches on the subject pistol once more is known about it. My frame number is 4084h, which puts it in WWI production in 1916, 17 or 18. __________________ You can lead 'em to the water, but you can't make 'em drink.