Simpsons ltd artillery luger

Major Tom · 08-25-2017, 12:56 PM

Their catalog number is Z32814. Their photo of the back strap shows a jagged edge just below the safety lever. What do you make of that? Could it be damaged, grinder misuse or a shadow?
Thanks for your help.

DavidJayUden · 08-25-2017, 01:27 PM

I see a little jag in the backstrap left edge just beneath the safety lever. I checked and the Lugers I looked at, DWM and Mauser, both had that. Is that your area of concern?
dju

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=50126

Desperado · 08-25-2017, 03:38 PM

My 1916 DWM LP08, 1917 DWM LP08 and my 1941 BYF (Mauser) P08 all have the jag. All three have original grips and all three have a matching wooden protrusion on the left grip that mates with the jag.

I also have a 1917 DWM LP08 shooter with grips that are not original and of questionable maker. The frame has the jag, but the non-original left grip does not have the mating wooden projection.

In the attached photos, 4585a and 4587a (place your cursor on the pictures to see the numbers) show the jag and the wooden protrusion on the left grip fitting around the jag. In 4588a above the fingernail on my middle finger you can see the wood projection with the grip removed. In 4589a above my thumb, you can see the underside of the grip and the shelf that becomes the wooden protrusion when seen from the back edge.

I have no idea what this means, just passing on my observations. This mating design may help keep the left grip stable (mated) with the frame when moving the hand around to access the safety and magazine release.

With the wooden protrusion on the left grip obviously designed to mate with the jag in the frame, I would think that would eliminate the jag being "damaged, grinder misuse or a shadow".

I cannot tell for certain from the Simpsons photos whether or not the pistol listed has the wooden mating protrusion, but it looks like it might. I'm sure you could call and ask.

Doug

hayhugh · 08-25-2017, 05:03 PM

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Their catalog number is Z32814. Their photo of the back strap shows a jagged edge just below the safety lever. What do you make of that? Could it be damaged, grinder misuse or a shadow?
Thanks for your help.
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DavidJayUden · 08-25-2017, 06:04 PM

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=50126

mrerick · 08-25-2017, 06:35 PM

The grip looks thicker than normal in the area just below the Safety lever on the left where it fits into the little step on the frame.

It could be a normal variation, a replacement grip or one that has a repair done in that area. Factory DWM grip checkering normally continues around that curve toward the frame, and doesn't leave that unfinished flat wood area. It could just be something that got through quality control, or they could be replacement grips. A check inside would probably be wise.

i just checked my DWM Lugers and this one (1921) has the thickest wood in this area.

ithacaartist · 08-25-2017, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

The grip looks thicker than normal in the area just below the Safety lever on the left where it fits into the little step on the frame.

It could be a normal variation, a replacement grip or one that has a repair done in that area. Factory DWM grip checkering normally continues around that curve toward the frame, and doesn't leave that unfinished flat wood area. It could just be something that got through quality control, or they could be replacement grips. A check inside would probably be wise.

i just checked my DWM Lugers and this one (1921) has the thickest wood in this area.

Marc,

Remember that these are hand checkered and there will be variations. The last pic doesn't look bad to me other than the petering out of the grooves in an area of the grip scale that is arguably the most difficult to negotiate when doing this work. One could reasonably expect a chink or two in armor of QC, too!

Major Tom · 08-27-2017, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

I see a little jag in the backstrap left edge just beneath the safety lever. I checked and the Lugers I looked at, DWM and Mauser, both had that. Is that your area of concern?
dju

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=50126

That jagged edge looks different from the above photos of other back straps.

alanint · 08-27-2017, 08:22 AM

It is mostly the angle it is photographed at. Note that the grips, which are made separately and then fitted, align just fine.

cirelaw · 09-23-2017, 08:46 PM

Bob must have read your thread! Its' Gone!

08-25-2017, 12:56 PM	#1
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 481 Thanks: 531 Thanked 226 Times in 123 Posts	Simpsons ltd artillery luger Their catalog number is Z32814. Their photo of the back strap shows a jagged edge just below the safety lever. What do you make of that? Could it be damaged, grinder misuse or a shadow? Thanks for your help. __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

08-25-2017, 03:38 PM	#3
Desperado User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Murphy, TX (near Dallas) Posts: 38 Thanks: 16 Thanked 46 Times in 16 Posts	My 1916 DWM LP08, 1917 DWM LP08 and my 1941 BYF (Mauser) P08 all have the jag. All three have original grips and all three have a matching wooden protrusion on the left grip that mates with the jag. I also have a 1917 DWM LP08 shooter with grips that are not original and of questionable maker. The frame has the jag, but the non-original left grip does not have the mating wooden projection. In the attached photos, 4585a and 4587a (place your cursor on the pictures to see the numbers) show the jag and the wooden protrusion on the left grip fitting around the jag. In 4588a above the fingernail on my middle finger you can see the wood projection with the grip removed. In 4589a above my thumb, you can see the underside of the grip and the shelf that becomes the wooden protrusion when seen from the back edge. I have no idea what this means, just passing on my observations. This mating design may help keep the left grip stable (mated) with the frame when moving the hand around to access the safety and magazine release. With the wooden protrusion on the left grip obviously designed to mate with the jag in the frame, I would think that would eliminate the jag being "damaged, grinder misuse or a shadow". I cannot tell for certain from the Simpsons photos whether or not the pistol listed has the wooden mating protrusion, but it looks like it might. I'm sure you could call and ask. Doug Attached Thumbnails

08-25-2017, 06:35 PM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	The grip looks thicker than normal in the area just below the Safety lever on the left where it fits into the little step on the frame. It could be a normal variation, a replacement grip or one that has a repair done in that area. Factory DWM grip checkering normally continues around that curve toward the frame, and doesn't leave that unfinished flat wood area. It could just be something that got through quality control, or they could be replacement grips. A check inside would probably be wise. i just checked my DWM Lugers and this one (1921) has the thickest wood in this area. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

08-25-2017, 01:27 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I see a little jag in the backstrap left edge just beneath the safety lever. I checked and the Lugers I looked at, DWM and Mauser, both had that. Is that your area of concern? dju http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=50126

08-25-2017, 06:04 PM	#5
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08-27-2017, 08:22 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	It is mostly the angle it is photographed at. Note that the grips, which are made separately and then fitted, align just fine.

09-23-2017, 08:46 PM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Bob must have read your thread! Its' Gone!