1917 DWM newbie - Page 2

DavidJayUden · 02-26-2017, 08:52 PM

It gets easier...
dju

mackeyms · 02-27-2017, 12:39 PM

and never stops being fun

Eotlou · 02-28-2017, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurusu

You are still missing a photo of the left side of the breechblock that's where the number is.

I'm not knowledgeable of pistol components, can you give me an idea where to look for this number? Do I need to disassemble to locate?

Eotlou · 02-28-2017, 12:43 PM

Is this it?

kurusu · 02-28-2017, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eotlou

Is this it?

Yep! That is it. And You do have an all matching gun. Congratulations.

Eotlou · 02-28-2017, 01:09 PM

Anyone want to give me a best guestimate on what it's $ value may be?

My limited research on the web finds values all over the place.

Is it a shooter or collectible?

alanint · 02-28-2017, 01:09 PM

Also the hold open has a matching number.

DonVoigt · 02-28-2017, 02:31 PM

Anyone want to give me a best guestimate on what it's $ value may be? Sorry, but no, no one agrees or likes the "guestimates"!

My limited research on the web finds values all over the place. Because they are! Selling price depends on who, where, when, how, and the phase of the moon; and whether the seller is motivated or the buyer is "lucky" or not.

Is it a shooter or collectible? I'd call it collectible for sure.

Maybe this helps a little.

DavidJayUden · 02-28-2017, 02:49 PM

My spin, for whatever it's worth, is that this one, unless I missed a mismatched part, is definitely collectable and probably should enjoy the rest of time being looked at, not fired.
As per its value, you can search 1917 Artillery Lugers on Simpsons, Ltd. website to get some idea of high end retail.
I'd think it should bring in the neighborhood of $3k or a bit more, but it is a bit specialized so let's see what other brave souls have to say on the subject.
Of course all estimates are academic while cash in hand speaks volumes.
dju

DonVoigt · 02-28-2017, 08:27 PM

Just to prove the point about pricing,
I don't think the OP pistol will bring anywhere near $3k.
It is a 1917, no matching mag, and the holster is not so hot.
One can't pay too much attention the the asking/retail prices at Simpson's, IMO; go to the online auctions and watch what they sell for, or a show with multiple offerings and motivated sellers.

David-
See, no good deed goes unpunished.

DavidJayUden · 02-28-2017, 10:41 PM

David-
See, no good deed goes unpunished.

As usual!
dju

Eotlou · 03-02-2017, 09:47 AM

Thanks to all that have responded. I feel a lot more confident on what we have than when we started asking questions.

Any suggestions on which online auctions we should monitor?

Not sure it will be for sale but you never know.

For Insurance purposes, it would be nice to know a general value at present.

DavidJayUden · 03-02-2017, 01:01 PM

I like gunbroker.com, search for artillery Luger in the firearms or curio and relics categories. Check active and completed listings too.
Good luck.
dju

cirelaw · 03-02-2017, 11:18 PM

Another of Eric's Dumb Questions~ Are all lugers basically the same, 41 or 42 pieces except for the sights and barrel lengths? Are all parts interchangeable? I.E. DWM or Erfurt, albeit different proofs? Please forgive me for asking?

DavidJayUden · 03-02-2017, 11:44 PM

There are 2 types of firearms. Those that are "fitted" and those that are "assembled". Fitted guns were made "before a man's time was worth anything". A Glock is assembled. The Luger is definitely fitted so one piece may, or may not properly "fit" on another Luger. I've had parts, major and minor, go one way or the other. I've had entire upper ends slide right onto a mismatched lower and work correctly, and I've had lesser trigger parts that simply would not interchange.
And then, of course, there were small changes made along the way that may complicate interchangeability, although they were mostly model specific.
Hope this helps.
dju

cirelaw · 03-03-2017, 09:32 AM

Thank You Dave! Were individual parts stamped before assembly or after completion? What a headache!

John Sabato · 03-03-2017, 11:06 AM

Parts were not stamped with the part number until AFTER fitting.

DavidJayUden · 03-03-2017, 11:20 AM

E:
I'm not sure but it seems likely that they were fitted to the gun and numbered afterwards. Perhaps others can clarify.
It's a small wonder that the military jumped at every opportunity to simplify the process. Imagine the logistics of equipping an army with equipment that was so labor-intensive!
dju

cirelaw · 03-03-2017, 12:01 PM

You are absolutely correct! Forty Seperate Parts, Great Stuff, A Tribute to German Engineering over a century ago and still even more relevant and sought after today!

02-28-2017, 12:43 PM	#24
Eotlou User Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Think I Found it Is this it? Attached Thumbnails

02-28-2017, 01:09 PM	#26
Eotlou User Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks! Good to know. Anyone want to give me a best guestimate on what it's $ value may be? My limited research on the web finds values all over the place. Is it a shooter or collectible?

02-28-2017, 02:31 PM	#28
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Anyone want to give me a best guestimate on what it's $ value may be? Sorry, but no, no one agrees or likes the "guestimates"! My limited research on the web finds values all over the place. Because they are! Selling price depends on who, where, when, how, and the phase of the moon; and whether the seller is motivated or the buyer is "lucky" or not. Is it a shooter or collectible? I'd call it collectible for sure. Maybe this helps a little. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

02-28-2017, 08:27 PM	#30
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Just to prove the point about pricing, I don't think the OP pistol will bring anywhere near $3k. It is a 1917, no matching mag, and the holster is not so hot. One can't pay too much attention the the asking/retail prices at Simpson's, IMO; go to the online auctions and watch what they sell for, or a show with multiple offerings and motivated sellers. David- See, no good deed goes unpunished. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-02-2017, 09:47 AM	#32
Eotlou User Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks to All. Question on Online Auctions Thanks to all that have responded. I feel a lot more confident on what we have than when we started asking questions. Any suggestions on which online auctions we should monitor? Not sure it will be for sale but you never know. For Insurance purposes, it would be nice to know a general value at present.

02-26-2017, 08:52 PM	#21
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	It gets easier... dju

02-27-2017, 12:39 PM	#22
mackeyms User Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 11 Thanks: 36 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	and never stops being fun

02-28-2017, 01:09 PM	#27
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Also the hold open has a matching number.

02-28-2017, 02:49 PM	#29
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	My spin, for whatever it's worth, is that this one, unless I missed a mismatched part, is definitely collectable and probably should enjoy the rest of time being looked at, not fired. As per its value, you can search 1917 Artillery Lugers on Simpsons, Ltd. website to get some idea of high end retail. I'd think it should bring in the neighborhood of $3k or a bit more, but it is a bit specialized so let's see what other brave souls have to say on the subject. Of course all estimates are academic while cash in hand speaks volumes. dju

02-28-2017, 10:41 PM	#31
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	David- See, no good deed goes unpunished. As usual! dju

03-02-2017, 01:01 PM	#33
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I like gunbroker.com, search for artillery Luger in the firearms or curio and relics categories. Check active and completed listings too. Good luck. dju

03-02-2017, 11:18 PM	#34
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Another of Eric's Dumb Questions~ Are all lugers basically the same, 41 or 42 pieces except for the sights and barrel lengths? Are all parts interchangeable? I.E. DWM or Erfurt, albeit different proofs? Please forgive me for asking?

03-02-2017, 11:44 PM	#35
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	There are 2 types of firearms. Those that are "fitted" and those that are "assembled". Fitted guns were made "before a man's time was worth anything". A Glock is assembled. The Luger is definitely fitted so one piece may, or may not properly "fit" on another Luger. I've had parts, major and minor, go one way or the other. I've had entire upper ends slide right onto a mismatched lower and work correctly, and I've had lesser trigger parts that simply would not interchange. And then, of course, there were small changes made along the way that may complicate interchangeability, although they were mostly model specific. Hope this helps. dju

03-03-2017, 09:32 AM	#36
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You Dave! Were individual parts stamped before assembly or after completion? What a headache!

03-03-2017, 11:06 AM	#37
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Parts were not stamped with the part number until AFTER fitting. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-03-2017, 11:20 AM	#38
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	E: I'm not sure but it seems likely that they were fitted to the gun and numbered afterwards. Perhaps others can clarify. It's a small wonder that the military jumped at every opportunity to simplify the process. Imagine the logistics of equipping an army with equipment that was so labor-intensive! dju

03-03-2017, 12:01 PM	#39
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	You are absolutely correct! Forty Seperate Parts, Great Stuff, A Tribute to German Engineering over a century ago and still even more relevant and sought after today!