Another 41 byf

Quentin · 09-29-2011, 09:35 PM

Seems to be a lot of 41 byf threads lately and here's another!

I've posted about this Luger before (it's in the databases, including the black grips database) but never had quality pictures. Now I have a good camera and thought now's the time to show off the old girl. She's in pretty good shape and hasn't been fired much over the years. Not much wear on the bluing either but some pitting here and there. I've owned it 12 years and never fired it.

Now to see if I can get pictures from my album to display here.

Edward Tinker · 09-29-2011, 10:29 PM

very nice!

Norme · 09-29-2011, 10:48 PM

Beautiful looking gun, Quentin. Thanks for posting. Regards, Norm

tharpo · 09-29-2011, 11:58 PM

Good looking Luger! I have a 41 byf produced maybe a day or two before yours, Sn 7138w. It too, has black plastic grips and magazines.

Tom

Quentin · 09-30-2011, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tharpo

Good looking Luger! I have a 41 byf produced maybe a day or two before yours, Sn 7138w. It too, has black plastic grips and magazines.

Tom

I believe mine is a little older than yours tharpo - its SN is 7345u. The suffix looks a little like a w but I'm pretty sure it's a u. Please double check just in case...

Thanks for the nice comments guys! It really is a beautiful Luger, the nicest I'll ever have. My other Luger is a mixed numbers 1913 DWM that I do shoot!

tharpo · 09-30-2011, 01:44 AM

Quentin,
Here is my "w" block 41 byf and a 1941 fxo "u" block magazine for comparison.

Tom

Frank · 09-30-2011, 09:54 AM

Quentin, Nice 41 byf "W" Block Luger!! Tom was correct, it's a w, NOT a u.

wdavid431 · 09-30-2011, 11:00 AM

Wow. Great looking Luger.

Quentin · 09-30-2011, 03:30 PM

Hey thanks a lot for straightening me out, Tom and Frank! And all these years I've thought it was a 'u'.

I'd better correct my records then.

That's pretty amazing we have such closely manufactured byfs, Tom - 7138 and 7345 in the W block.

I guess they both were made around September 1941? And just had their seventieth birthdays ...

ETA:
Whoops, I need to update it in the forum databases too!

Steinar · 10-01-2011, 03:41 PM

Very nice Luger!
Can't verify the production date for you.. I'm away from my book "Still's Third Reich Lugers" where I think this can be found.

Frank · 10-01-2011, 05:43 PM

Quentin, both 7138 and 7345 in the W block 41 byf Lugers were completed about August 1941.

Quentin · 10-01-2011, 05:58 PM

Thanks again Frank! My wife's birthday is August 3rd so that works... and she told me Martha Stewart was born 8/3/1941

Quentin · 10-03-2011, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tharpo

Good looking Luger! I have a 41 byf produced maybe a day or two before yours, Sn 7138w. It too, has black plastic grips and magazines.

Tom

Tom, by chance do you have a thread with pictures of your 41 byf 7138w? I'd love to see more of it! I did some searches and found a cropped picture of it where you were explaining in a thread how you take pictures.

Thanks again for the help guys!

tharpo · 10-03-2011, 08:33 PM

Quentin,
Here is the link to my pictures on Jan Stills forum. You have seen it before

.
I like the fact that both guns have the same type black grips with the serial numbers so close.
http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-Nice-1941-byf
Tom

Quentin · 10-04-2011, 01:27 AM

Thanks, Tom, what a beautiful byf! And you're right I did post in that thread two years ago...

Amazing how good yours looks after 70 years and mine is pretty close. I also love seeing two nice examples made so close to each other. It would be pretty darn hard to find another near as good in our little group of 207 byfs manufactured over a period of days at the Mauser factory.

I do have pictures of my grips inside and out, I'll dig up the link and post it soon. They are Type 4 black bakelite grips like yours. Thanks again for all the help and getting me straight on my actual serial number.

ETA: pictures of grips inside and out added to original post.

Quentin · 10-04-2011, 05:33 PM

Out of curiosity, searching through the 1940/1941 DATES MILITARY CODES 42 and byf DATA thread then quickly cleaning and sorting the data in Excel, 186 '41 byfs are included with 13 in the W block. (There's one even closer to yours, Tom - 70?? w)

41 byf sn 429 w E/655 E/655.
41 byf sn 1358 w, E/655 E/655 LTP
41 byf sn 16?? w
41 byf sn 24?? w,
41 byf sn 2902 w, E/655, E/655 LTP, black plastic grips
41 byf sn 3446 w, E655, E/655 LTP
41 byf sn 4027 w, black plastic grips
41 byf sn 70?? w,
41 byf sn 7138 w, E/655 E/655 LTP, black grips, fxo mags
41 byf sn 7345 w, E/655 E/655 LTP, P08, black plastic grips, black plastic bottom E/37 fxo mags.
41 byf sn 83?? w, E/655 E/655 LTP
41 byf sn 90?? w
41 byf sn 9828 w, E/655 E/655 LTP, P08

skilled · 10-06-2011, 08:22 PM

Sweet Luger! Love the grips.

barr44 · 10-17-2011, 03:20 PM

To all,
I notice that on Quentin byf, it doesn't seem to have white paint in the 'GESICHERT' word. I have a byf 41 that has this white paint in the word.
Just wondering whether some had the paint and others didn't.

mrerick · 10-17-2011, 08:58 PM

I believe that all left the factory with paint in the 'GESICHERT' word.

Marc

DavidJayUden · 10-17-2011, 09:03 PM

Bar44: Good spot.
Now the question is why it has no paint in that lettering.
dju

09-29-2011, 09:35 PM	#1
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Another 41 byf Seems to be a lot of 41 byf threads lately and here's another! I've posted about this Luger before (it's in the databases, including the black grips database) but never had quality pictures. Now I have a good camera and thought now's the time to show off the old girl. She's in pretty good shape and hasn't been fired much over the years. Not much wear on the bluing either but some pitting here and there. I've owned it 12 years and never fired it. Now to see if I can get pictures from my album to display here. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Quentin; 10-04-2011 at 01:59 AM.

09-29-2011, 10:29 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,021 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	very nice! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-30-2011, 01:44 AM	#6
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	Quentin, Here is my "w" block 41 byf and a 1941 fxo "u" block magazine for comparison. Tom Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

09-30-2011, 11:00 AM	#8
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Wow. Great looking Luger. __________________ W David

10-01-2011, 03:41 PM	#10
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Very nice Luger! Can't verify the production date for you.. I'm away from my book "Still's Third Reich Lugers" where I think this can be found. __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

09-29-2011, 10:48 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Beautiful looking gun, Quentin. Thanks for posting. Regards, Norm

09-29-2011, 11:58 PM	#4
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	Good looking Luger! I have a 41 byf produced maybe a day or two before yours, Sn 7138w. It too, has black plastic grips and magazines. Tom

09-30-2011, 09:54 AM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Quentin, Nice 41 byf "W" Block Luger!! Tom was correct, it's a w, NOT a u.

09-30-2011, 03:30 PM	#9
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Hey thanks a lot for straightening me out, Tom and Frank! And all these years I've thought it was a 'u'. I'd better correct my records then. That's pretty amazing we have such closely manufactured byfs, Tom - 7138 and 7345 in the W block. I guess they both were made around September 1941? And just had their seventieth birthdays ... ETA: Whoops, I need to update it in the forum databases too!

10-01-2011, 05:43 PM	#11
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Quentin, both 7138 and 7345 in the W block 41 byf Lugers were completed about August 1941.

10-01-2011, 05:58 PM	#12
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks again Frank! My wife's birthday is August 3rd so that works... and she told me Martha Stewart was born 8/3/1941

10-03-2011, 08:33 PM	#14
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	Quentin, Here is the link to my pictures on Jan Stills forum. You have seen it before . I like the fact that both guns have the same type black grips with the serial numbers so close. http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-Nice-1941-byf Tom

10-04-2011, 01:27 AM	#15
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks, Tom, what a beautiful byf! And you're right I did post in that thread two years ago... Amazing how good yours looks after 70 years and mine is pretty close. I also love seeing two nice examples made so close to each other. It would be pretty darn hard to find another near as good in our little group of 207 byfs manufactured over a period of days at the Mauser factory. I do have pictures of my grips inside and out, I'll dig up the link and post it soon. They are Type 4 black bakelite grips like yours. Thanks again for all the help and getting me straight on my actual serial number. ETA: pictures of grips inside and out added to original post.

10-04-2011, 05:33 PM	#16
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Out of curiosity, searching through the 1940/1941 DATES MILITARY CODES 42 and byf DATA thread then quickly cleaning and sorting the data in Excel, 186 '41 byfs are included with 13 in the W block. (There's one even closer to yours, Tom - 70?? w) 41 byf sn 429 w E/655 E/655. 41 byf sn 1358 w, E/655 E/655 LTP 41 byf sn 16?? w 41 byf sn 24?? w, 41 byf sn 2902 w, E/655, E/655 LTP, black plastic grips 41 byf sn 3446 w, E655, E/655 LTP 41 byf sn 4027 w, black plastic grips 41 byf sn 70?? w, 41 byf sn 7138 w, E/655 E/655 LTP, black grips, fxo mags 41 byf sn 7345 w, E/655 E/655 LTP, P08, black plastic grips, black plastic bottom E/37 fxo mags. 41 byf sn 83?? w, E/655 E/655 LTP 41 byf sn 90?? w 41 byf sn 9828 w, E/655 E/655 LTP, P08

10-06-2011, 08:22 PM	#17
skilled User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Sweet Luger! Love the grips.

10-17-2011, 03:20 PM	#18
barr44 User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: york co., va Posts: 151 Thanks: 27 Thanked 35 Times in 21 Posts	Safety Mark To all, I notice that on Quentin byf, it doesn't seem to have white paint in the 'GESICHERT' word. I have a byf 41 that has this white paint in the word. Just wondering whether some had the paint and others didn't.

10-17-2011, 08:58 PM	#19
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	I believe that all left the factory with paint in the 'GESICHERT' word. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-17-2011, 09:03 PM	#20
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Bar44: Good spot. Now the question is why it has no paint in that lettering. dju