Luger based Target Pistol

alanint · 11-11-2008, 03:04 PM

Just saw this Luger at The National Arms Museum in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Is anybody familiar with this variation?

John Sabato · 11-11-2008, 07:25 PM

A very unusual totally CUSTOM luger... not manufactured that way...

rhinemann · 11-11-2008, 08:13 PM

Is it still 9 mm?
Jeffrey

alanint · 11-11-2008, 08:46 PM

Caliber was 9mm, as far as I could tell. Based on the scant information provided, it was apparently built for competition by Argentine arms designer Ballester-Molina.
Other Lugers of interest present, aside from several typical imperial era guns, were a Navy, an Artillery (both in excellent condition). A presentation case of two 1900 Matched Lugers with accessories given as a shooting trophy.
Lighting and glass at the museum prevented any close examination of marking or serial numbers.

lfid · 11-12-2008, 11:51 AM

alanint ,

thanks !!! for sharing the photo

did the frame front appear to have finger bumps added ?

front sight adjustable ?

rear sight welded to the toggle ?

bottom of frame blocked off ?

very unusual frame , grips , and safety setup

does this museum have a web site ?

thanks
Bill

alanint · 11-12-2008, 02:15 PM

I've found only one web mention so far. A visit by a Spanish enthusiast. Written in Spanish, unfortunately.

http://www.armas.es/narticulos-Museo...os/000257.html

To answer some of your questions;
The frame had finger bumps as an integral part. It is as if they had cast a completely new frame unit including finger grooves. Another unusual variation were two large leafs extending down from the grip to completely enclose the magazine bases, which could only be grasped from front and rear. I don't think the standard magazines displayed with th gun would work. The magazines this gun would accept would need to have the lugs on the base flush with the magazine tube.
A sight base appeared to be welded to the rear of the frame, with clearance for the last toggle link to reciprocate within this base. An elaborate adjustable sight was afixed on top of this. The front sight appeared adjustable for windage via a spring-loaded catch and rack, (rachet). No tools needed, simply press latch and slide sideways. There was a wide trigger shoe on display for this gun as well.

SIGP2101 · 12-04-2008, 03:23 PM

I like it, I want it!

lfid · 12-05-2008, 01:42 AM

alanint,

thanks for the added details !!!

very interesting luger

Bill

11-11-2008, 03:04 PM	#1
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Luger based Target Pistol Just saw this Luger at The National Arms Museum in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Is anybody familiar with this variation? Attached Thumbnails

11-11-2008, 07:25 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	A very unusual totally CUSTOM luger... not manufactured that way... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-11-2008, 08:13 PM	#3
rhinemann User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: S. Calif. Posts: 66 Thanks: 14 Thanked 21 Times in 12 Posts	Is it still 9 mm? Jeffrey

11-11-2008, 08:46 PM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Caliber was 9mm, as far as I could tell. Based on the scant information provided, it was apparently built for competition by Argentine arms designer Ballester-Molina. Other Lugers of interest present, aside from several typical imperial era guns, were a Navy, an Artillery (both in excellent condition). A presentation case of two 1900 Matched Lugers with accessories given as a shooting trophy. Lighting and glass at the museum prevented any close examination of marking or serial numbers.

11-12-2008, 11:51 AM	#5
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	alanint , thanks !!! for sharing the photo did the frame front appear to have finger bumps added ? front sight adjustable ? rear sight welded to the toggle ? bottom of frame blocked off ? very unusual frame , grips , and safety setup does this museum have a web site ? thanks Bill

11-12-2008, 02:15 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I've found only one web mention so far. A visit by a Spanish enthusiast. Written in Spanish, unfortunately. http://www.armas.es/narticulos-Museo...os/000257.html To answer some of your questions; The frame had finger bumps as an integral part. It is as if they had cast a completely new frame unit including finger grooves. Another unusual variation were two large leafs extending down from the grip to completely enclose the magazine bases, which could only be grasped from front and rear. I don't think the standard magazines displayed with th gun would work. The magazines this gun would accept would need to have the lugs on the base flush with the magazine tube. A sight base appeared to be welded to the rear of the frame, with clearance for the last toggle link to reciprocate within this base. An elaborate adjustable sight was afixed on top of this. The front sight appeared adjustable for windage via a spring-loaded catch and rack, (rachet). No tools needed, simply press latch and slide sideways. There was a wide trigger shoe on display for this gun as well.

12-04-2008, 03:23 PM	#7
SIGP2101 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256 Thanks: 74 Thanked 67 Times in 32 Posts	I like it, I want it!

12-05-2008, 01:42 AM	#8
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	alanint, thanks for the added details !!! very interesting luger Bill