1915 DWM

Dwight Gruber · 07-07-2004, 04:06 AM

Here's the latest, a 1915 DWM. Not much to say about it, it is just bread-and-butter, a decent example to help build up a complete selection of Imperial German Army Lugers.

It is estimated that 105,000 standard Lugers were manufactured in this year.

It may be hard to see, but the chamber firing proof is the DWM-style Eagle, the breechblock proof is the Erfurt style. Sear bar is not relieved. The grips are numbered inside to the gun, but the stamps are so light that they do not show up in a photograph. Magazine is not matched.

The witness mark is perfect, that is, one strike by a single instrument, undisturbed. This is the only kind of witness mark which can reveal anything about the barrel/receiver combination.

--Dwight

Lloyd in Nevada · 07-07-2004, 09:53 PM

Dwight, I hope you don't mind me adding a few pictures of a couple of 1915 DWM Lugers from my collection--one an Artillery. I just recently acquired the bottom P.08 Luger. Both are all matching including the grips but neither of the magazines match. Your picture of the witness mark prompted my interest in examining those marks on mine. What do you think about the witness strikes on mine?

Edward Tinker · 07-08-2004, 12:09 AM

Both are very nice Lloyd!

I like yours too Dwight, nice honest piece, just like I like them!

ed

Ron Smith · 07-08-2004, 09:47 AM

LLoyd, I'll give you Herman Goerings personal Luger, and my Bill Clinton action figure for your artillery!

Ron

Lloyd in Nevada · 07-08-2004, 07:38 PM

Ron,

Oh, yes sir, a Bill Clinton action figure is tempting (I love the way they explode) when hit by a 55 grain .223 HPBT bullet moving along at over 3,000 fps. Gives the term "shaker and mover" and "man on the move" a whole new meaning! But Ron, I would need a whole tractor/trailer full to make this deal work! Best, Lloyd in Hotter than HELL Las Vegas

Ron Smith · 07-08-2004, 08:09 PM

Lloyd, I can try. Walmart probably has a warehouse full. I think I could get them to pay me to haul them off. You know that they are all defective, don't you? They won't stand-up. They just LIE!

Ron

Dwight Gruber · 07-09-2004, 09:55 AM

Lloyd,

Those are very sharp 1915s!

I get pretty wrapped up in the witness marks, and constantly have to remind myself to calm down. I don't know if you have read my Witness Mark analysis. One needs to be very conservative and cautious when considering them, they actually tell you very little about any particular gun. I'd prefer to see much greater magnification of yours before I said anything. that, and 'whitening' of the line obscures the characteristics one looks for.

--Dwight

John Sabato · 07-09-2004, 09:56 AM

I may have to add a "BAD JOKE" rule to the "forum decorum" or "terms of service" that everyone acknowledges when the sign up to be a member... Ron, everyone knows that the reason those dolls are defective is that whoever put them together left out the scruples!

07-07-2004, 04:06 AM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	1915 DWM Here's the latest, a 1915 DWM. Not much to say about it, it is just bread-and-butter, a decent example to help build up a complete selection of Imperial German Army Lugers. It is estimated that 105,000 standard Lugers were manufactured in this year. It may be hard to see, but the chamber firing proof is the DWM-style Eagle, the breechblock proof is the Erfurt style. Sear bar is not relieved. The grips are numbered inside to the gun, but the stamps are so light that they do not show up in a photograph. Magazine is not matched. The witness mark is perfect, that is, one strike by a single instrument, undisturbed. This is the only kind of witness mark which can reveal anything about the barrel/receiver combination. --Dwight

07-08-2004, 12:09 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Both are very nice Lloyd! I like yours too Dwight, nice honest piece, just like I like them! ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-08-2004, 09:47 AM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	LLoyd, I'll give you Herman Goerings personal Luger, and my Bill Clinton action figure for your artillery! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-08-2004, 08:09 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Lloyd, I can try. Walmart probably has a warehouse full. I think I could get them to pay me to haul them off. You know that they are all defective, don't you? They won't stand-up. They just LIE! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-09-2004, 09:56 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I may have to add a "BAD JOKE" rule to the "forum decorum" or "terms of service" that everyone acknowledges when the sign up to be a member... Ron, everyone knows that the reason those dolls are defective is that whoever put them together left out the scruples! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-07-2004, 09:53 PM	#2
Lloyd in Nevada User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, I hope you don't mind me adding a few pictures of a couple of 1915 DWM Lugers from my collection--one an Artillery. I just recently acquired the bottom P.08 Luger. Both are all matching including the grips but neither of the magazines match. Your picture of the witness mark prompted my interest in examining those marks on mine. What do you think about the witness strikes on mine?

07-08-2004, 07:38 PM	#5
Lloyd in Nevada User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron, Oh, yes sir, a Bill Clinton action figure is tempting (I love the way they explode) when hit by a 55 grain .223 HPBT bullet moving along at over 3,000 fps. Gives the term "shaker and mover" and "man on the move" a whole new meaning! But Ron, I would need a whole tractor/trailer full to make this deal work! Best, Lloyd in Hotter than HELL Las Vegas

07-09-2004, 09:55 AM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Lloyd, Those are very sharp 1915s! I get pretty wrapped up in the witness marks, and constantly have to remind myself to calm down. I don't know if you have read my Witness Mark analysis. One needs to be very conservative and cautious when considering them, they actually tell you very little about any particular gun. I'd prefer to see much greater magnification of yours before I said anything. that, and 'whitening' of the line obscures the characteristics one looks for. --Dwight