My first try(new straw pics)

c3006 · 09-29-2005, 07:55 PM

I brought this pistol last week,it was a total loss with no two parts matching and lots of pitting. I welded it up and cut it back down polished it and put on a set of sile grips I got on ebay.This was my first try at redoin a luger. Its a pretty good shooter and my third luger. I dont have a collectable yet but thats next. clint

LU1900 · 09-29-2005, 09:14 PM

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Luke · 09-29-2005, 09:26 PM

Looks good. Can you show more detail where you welded the pits? Would like to see how that works.

Luke

c3006 · 09-29-2005, 09:42 PM

Pat its a 9mm
Luke If you look on the left side pic a little more than half way down the barrell you will see where it looks a little darker the pitting was very deep there,thats how it comes out for the most part, I use a heliarc to weld with a mild steel rod,you have to look to see it but it still looks better than the pitting. If anybody knows of a better way to do it I would like to know. clint

Ron Smith · 09-29-2005, 11:17 PM

Clint, Did you blue it? Is it rust blued or salt blued? Looks like a pretty good job.

Ron

Rod WMG · 09-30-2005, 01:24 AM

It looks great to have been in the condition you describe. Enjoy!

Dwight Gruber · 09-30-2005, 01:49 AM

Clint,

Looks very nice. Since it is a DWM, for the next step, you might consider strawing the small parts.

--Dwight

c3006 · 09-30-2005, 03:56 AM

Ron It is salt blued I have been doing salt blue for a long time. I would love to straw the small parts Dwight but I have never done it . I am studying up on it and going to give it a go. I wish I had taken before pics but I never think about stuff like that,I was in to much of a hurry to get to work on it. Thanks clint

Luke · 09-30-2005, 06:18 AM

Clint -

I like the color of your salt blue; it has almost a velvet appearence in your photographs.

Do a search for "strawing" on this LugerForum and on Jan Still's forum. Several members have commented on their methods in past postings.

Luke

policeluger · 09-30-2005, 07:06 AM

Clint, send me you email address, and I will attach my tried and true method for strawing, I have giving it out to perhaps 70/80 member here over the years, and to members all over the world....my instructions will that the mystery out of it, if you can blue, you can do this, and I've been gun smithing for 30 years now.....

c3006 · 09-30-2005, 07:52 AM

Thanks Howard PM Sent

c3006 · 10-04-2005, 01:04 PM

After Dwights suggestion and Howards guidance this is my first attempt at strawing

Ron Wood · 10-04-2005, 01:13 PM

For your first whack at giving a Luger a face lift, you did pretty darned well...looks great. That ought to turn some heads at the range.

policeluger · 10-04-2005, 01:19 PM

Clint just called me a bit ago, asked me to log on and see his work, WOW another star is born!!!.....don't forget Clint, per my instruction you owe me a coke

c3006 · 10-04-2005, 01:34 PM

Thanks guys I still have some issues with the sideplate I will address the next time I heat the tanks up,I really wish I had taken pics of this pistol befor I started it was pretty sad. And Howard I look forward to buyin you that coke when we meet in person. Thanks clint

Edward Tinker · 10-04-2005, 02:33 PM

excellent, sow ear to a pigs ear...

Well something like that, just outstanding Clint, heck of a nice job!

Tomathvl · 10-04-2005, 03:47 PM

Clint,
Nice work , looks good for your first time. Actually it looks good for many times.
The only suggestion I would float is to use some filler metal from a period piece, instead of mild steel rod, of the same type gun i.e. Mauser or DWM and metal from same location on the gun. This would require a donor piece to use and may not be worth it for one piece. I would think this would blend better and reduce color differences. JMHO. Or if someone knows the chemistry of the steel you could come close that way.
Once again, nice job.
Tom

pipeman45 · 10-04-2005, 03:47 PM

Nice job. You should be proud.

sambuscemi · 10-04-2005, 10:41 PM

Clint: The little I know about steel and welding tells me the reason for the different colored steels after welding is due to the fact that the molecular structure of the weld and the metal is not the same. To make uniform you must anneal or stress relieve and or thermo stress relieve and temper (controlled air cooling) after welding. This heat treat method makes the molecular structure of the weld match the metal you are mating it too as long as the weld material is of similiar chemistry as the barrel. Once annealed & cooled you can blue and you will not have that blue haze of a different color - everything will match. Knowing the chemistry of a luger is easy, non-destructive and destructive testing can be done for as little as $80.00 at any commerical metal testing laboratory. Take a scrap barrel of the several types available test them, match the welding rod before your procedure and what you have is a perfect job, undetectable to the untrained eye. Hope this helps. SAM

Edward Tinker · 10-04-2005, 10:48 PM

interesting Sam, thanks for the tip for everyone!

ed

09-29-2005, 07:55 PM	#1
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	My first try(new straw pics) I brought this pistol last week,it was a total loss with no two parts matching and lots of pitting. I welded it up and cut it back down polished it and put on a set of sile grips I got on ebay.This was my first try at redoin a luger. Its a pretty good shooter and my third luger. I dont have a collectable yet but thats next. clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-29-2005, 09:14 PM	#2
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09-29-2005, 09:26 PM	#3
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Looks good. Can you show more detail where you welded the pits? Would like to see how that works. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

09-29-2005, 09:42 PM	#4
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Pat its a 9mm Luke If you look on the left side pic a little more than half way down the barrell you will see where it looks a little darker the pitting was very deep there,thats how it comes out for the most part, I use a heliarc to weld with a mild steel rod,you have to look to see it but it still looks better than the pitting. If anybody knows of a better way to do it I would like to know. clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-29-2005, 11:17 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Clint, Did you blue it? Is it rust blued or salt blued? Looks like a pretty good job. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-30-2005, 01:24 AM	#6
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It looks great to have been in the condition you describe. Enjoy!

09-30-2005, 01:49 AM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Clint, Looks very nice. Since it is a DWM, for the next step, you might consider strawing the small parts. --Dwight

09-30-2005, 03:56 AM	#8
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Ron It is salt blued I have been doing salt blue for a long time. I would love to straw the small parts Dwight but I have never done it . I am studying up on it and going to give it a go. I wish I had taken before pics but I never think about stuff like that,I was in to much of a hurry to get to work on it. Thanks clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-30-2005, 06:18 AM	#9
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Clint - I like the color of your salt blue; it has almost a velvet appearence in your photographs. Do a search for "strawing" on this LugerForum and on Jan Still's forum. Several members have commented on their methods in past postings. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

09-30-2005, 07:06 AM	#10
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Clint, send me you email address, and I will attach my tried and true method for strawing, I have giving it out to perhaps 70/80 member here over the years, and to members all over the world....my instructions will that the mystery out of it, if you can blue, you can do this, and I've been gun smithing for 30 years now.....

09-30-2005, 07:52 AM	#11
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Thanks Howard PM Sent __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

10-04-2005, 01:04 PM	#12
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	After Dwights suggestion and Howards guidance this is my first attempt at strawing __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

10-04-2005, 01:13 PM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	For your first whack at giving a Luger a face lift, you did pretty darned well...looks great. That ought to turn some heads at the range. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-04-2005, 01:19 PM	#14
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Clint just called me a bit ago, asked me to log on and see his work, WOW another star is born!!!.....don't forget Clint, per my instruction you owe me a coke

10-04-2005, 01:34 PM	#15
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Thanks guys I still have some issues with the sideplate I will address the next time I heat the tanks up,I really wish I had taken pics of this pistol befor I started it was pretty sad. And Howard I look forward to buyin you that coke when we meet in person. Thanks clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

10-04-2005, 02:33 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	excellent, sow ear to a pigs ear... Well something like that, just outstanding Clint, heck of a nice job!

10-04-2005, 03:47 PM	#17
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Clint, Nice work , looks good for your first time. Actually it looks good for many times. The only suggestion I would float is to use some filler metal from a period piece, instead of mild steel rod, of the same type gun i.e. Mauser or DWM and metal from same location on the gun. This would require a donor piece to use and may not be worth it for one piece. I would think this would blend better and reduce color differences. JMHO. Or if someone knows the chemistry of the steel you could come close that way. Once again, nice job. Tom

10-04-2005, 03:47 PM	#18
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Nice job. You should be proud. __________________ Dave

10-04-2005, 10:41 PM	#19
sambuscemi User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 192 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 4 Posts	Clint: The little I know about steel and welding tells me the reason for the different colored steels after welding is due to the fact that the molecular structure of the weld and the metal is not the same. To make uniform you must anneal or stress relieve and or thermo stress relieve and temper (controlled air cooling) after welding. This heat treat method makes the molecular structure of the weld match the metal you are mating it too as long as the weld material is of similiar chemistry as the barrel. Once annealed & cooled you can blue and you will not have that blue haze of a different color - everything will match. Knowing the chemistry of a luger is easy, non-destructive and destructive testing can be done for as little as $80.00 at any commerical metal testing laboratory. Take a scrap barrel of the several types available test them, match the welding rod before your procedure and what you have is a perfect job, undetectable to the untrained eye. Hope this helps. SAM

10-04-2005, 10:48 PM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	interesting Sam, thanks for the tip for everyone! ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV