06 Waffenfabrik Bern - The Pictures

manowar3 · 08-11-2008, 04:22 AM

Any information is appreciated

Mauser720 · 08-11-2008, 08:58 AM

Manowar3 -

The serial number places it in 1923 and the Swiss made 2,370 of them that year.

Mauser720 - Ron

manowar3 · 08-11-2008, 09:04 AM

Thanks a lot for looking it up!

Edward Tinker · 08-11-2008, 09:05 AM

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manowar3 · 08-11-2008, 09:19 AM

Fixed it. Sorry about that.

Edward Tinker · 08-11-2008, 12:11 PM

Daniel, thank you. I've never made it to Switzerland; although my wives plane was diverted and she saw the airport

Ed

John Sabato · 08-11-2008, 01:13 PM

Ed! Your "wives" plane? ... surely you meant your Wife's plane, eh?

John Sabato · 08-11-2008, 01:21 PM

Daniel,

I was fortunate enough to have visited both Zurich and Geneva back in the 1970's on government business... what a beautiful country... and very friendly people... except for the KGB type (we nick-named him Boris) who followed us around for two days reading a newspaper until we sent a waiter over to his table with a glass of vodka... He promptly departed and within an hour was replaced by someone else who followed us around until we went to the airport to leave. Fun times during the Cold War...

I remember a "British" style pub (Sorry TAC!) , not far from the U.S. Mission in Geneva... Had a great evening there on my first night, before having to go to WORK the next day...

manowar3 · 08-11-2008, 03:26 PM

Very nice.

manowar3 · 08-11-2008, 03:30 PM

Nice to meet you all. I live close to Zurich (in the lake Zug area). Spent three years in the U.S. where I met my wife and always love to go back to visit.

manowar3

Armin · 09-12-2008, 02:19 PM

Manowar3,
could you please take a picture of the underside of your 06-Bern. I would like to see the number on the sideplate and on the takedown-lever if there is a number.
Thanks, Armin.

manowar3 · 09-13-2008, 10:35 AM

Hi Armin,

the last two digits of the serial number are on the side plate. No number on the take-down lever.

manowar3

Armin · 09-13-2008, 04:22 PM

Manowar3,
thank you very much for the requested picture. This is one of the numerous swiss parabellum pistols with the take down lever not numbered and the side plate number head long. I have never heard a good explanation for this phenomenon.
Regards, Armin.

manowar3 · 09-23-2008, 05:50 AM

Shoots great

Vlim · 09-25-2008, 01:04 PM

Hi,

The ammunition is being made today by Fiocchi, amongst others.
The swiss army stuff is generally speaking a steel jacketed round with a copperwashed surface. I'd be a bit careful shooting too much of the Swiss stuff on a regular basis.

manowar3 · 09-28-2008, 04:53 AM

The Fiocchi ammo costs 80 cents (88 Rappen) per round in Switzerland. That's a bit steep to shoot regulary...

Fredo · 10-17-2008, 02:19 PM

Hi Manowar
I live arround Lausanne and I have a 06/24 Waffenfabrik and 2 pcs 06/29Swiss. I was at the range last week and I had no problem to purchase Swiss Fed Ammunition 7.65. You should may be go to another Schiessverein arround ZÃ?Â¼rich. Best regards from another Swiss Luger collector

manowar3 · 10-18-2008, 02:03 PM

That's good to hear, Fredo.

drbuster · 10-18-2008, 02:37 PM

Manowar and Fredo, welcome to this Forum. It's always good to hear from Swiss collectors from the "source" country. We not too long ago were able to buy from a large supply of surplus Lapua 30 Luger imported by Sportmans Guide here in the USA. I'm sure these are sold out now. Notice my avatar, which is a 1902 "Swiss re-work" pistol. This may be an example of a rejected Swiss military 9mm trial pistol. As you know the Swiss never accepted the 9mm over the 7.65 mm. This luger was arsenal restored and re-proofed with Geneva crosses, even in the frame well (overstamped the 1902 triangle in circle). The bore is well worn, indicating that your earlier military coutrymen really gave it a good trial!

Vlim · 10-18-2008, 06:41 PM

I'm not surprised, with those Swiss loads you'd expect the bore not to last very long. Steel on steel is not quite without friction.

But, hey, if there's a good supply of steel cased ammo and a good supply of barrels and gunsmiths available....

08-11-2008, 04:22 AM	#1
manowar3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	When was it made? Any information is appreciated Last edited by manowar3; 03-07-2009 at 05:08 AM.

08-11-2008, 08:58 AM	#2
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Manowar3 - The serial number places it in 1923 and the Swiss made 2,370 of them that year. Mauser720 - Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

08-11-2008, 09:04 AM	#3
manowar3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks a lot for looking it up! Last edited by manowar3; 03-07-2009 at 05:05 AM.

08-11-2008, 12:11 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Daniel, thank you. I've never made it to Switzerland; although my wives plane was diverted and she saw the airport Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-11-2008, 01:13 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Ed! Your "wives" plane? ... surely you meant your Wife's plane, eh? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-11-2008, 09:05 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	"Waffen" welcome to the forum! It is apprecaited if you at least have a real name and location (state / country) in your profile. ADMIN

08-11-2008, 09:19 AM	#5
manowar3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Fixed it. Sorry about that.

08-11-2008, 01:21 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Daniel, I was fortunate enough to have visited both Zurich and Geneva back in the 1970's on government business... what a beautiful country... and very friendly people... except for the KGB type (we nick-named him Boris) who followed us around for two days reading a newspaper until we sent a waiter over to his table with a glass of vodka... He promptly departed and within an hour was replaced by someone else who followed us around until we went to the airport to leave. Fun times during the Cold War... I remember a "British" style pub (Sorry TAC!) , not far from the U.S. Mission in Geneva... Had a great evening there on my first night, before having to go to WORK the next day... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-11-2008, 03:26 PM	#9
manowar3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	06 Waffenfabrik Bern - The Pictures Very nice. Last edited by manowar3; 03-07-2009 at 05:06 AM.

08-11-2008, 03:30 PM	#10
manowar3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nice to meet you all. I live close to Zurich (in the lake Zug area). Spent three years in the U.S. where I met my wife and always love to go back to visit. manowar3

09-12-2008, 02:19 PM	#11
Armin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Manowar3, could you please take a picture of the underside of your 06-Bern. I would like to see the number on the sideplate and on the takedown-lever if there is a number. Thanks, Armin.

09-13-2008, 10:35 AM	#12
manowar3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Armin, the last two digits of the serial number are on the side plate. No number on the take-down lever. manowar3 Last edited by manowar3; 03-07-2009 at 05:06 AM.

09-13-2008, 04:22 PM	#13
Armin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Manowar3, thank you very much for the requested picture. This is one of the numerous swiss parabellum pistols with the take down lever not numbered and the side plate number head long. I have never heard a good explanation for this phenomenon. Regards, Armin.

09-23-2008, 05:50 AM	#14
manowar3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Shoots great Last edited by manowar3; 03-07-2009 at 05:07 AM.

09-25-2008, 01:04 PM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,866 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi, The ammunition is being made today by Fiocchi, amongst others. The swiss army stuff is generally speaking a steel jacketed round with a copperwashed surface. I'd be a bit careful shooting too much of the Swiss stuff on a regular basis.

09-28-2008, 04:53 AM	#16
manowar3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Fiocchi ammo costs 80 cents (88 Rappen) per round in Switzerland. That's a bit steep to shoot regulary...

10-17-2008, 02:19 PM	#17
Fredo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lausanne/Switzerland Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Manowar I live arround Lausanne and I have a 06/24 Waffenfabrik and 2 pcs 06/29Swiss. I was at the range last week and I had no problem to purchase Swiss Fed Ammunition 7.65. You should may be go to another Schiessverein arround ZÃ?Â¼rich. Best regards from another Swiss Luger collector

10-18-2008, 02:03 PM	#18
manowar3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That's good to hear, Fredo. Last edited by manowar3; 03-07-2009 at 05:07 AM.

10-18-2008, 02:37 PM	#19
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Manowar and Fredo, welcome to this Forum. It's always good to hear from Swiss collectors from the "source" country. We not too long ago were able to buy from a large supply of surplus Lapua 30 Luger imported by Sportmans Guide here in the USA. I'm sure these are sold out now. Notice my avatar, which is a 1902 "Swiss re-work" pistol. This may be an example of a rejected Swiss military 9mm trial pistol. As you know the Swiss never accepted the 9mm over the 7.65 mm. This luger was arsenal restored and re-proofed with Geneva crosses, even in the frame well (overstamped the 1902 triangle in circle). The bore is well worn, indicating that your earlier military coutrymen really gave it a good trial!

10-18-2008, 06:41 PM	#20
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,866 Times in 1,184 Posts	I'm not surprised, with those Swiss loads you'd expect the bore not to last very long. Steel on steel is not quite without friction. But, hey, if there's a good supply of steel cased ammo and a good supply of barrels and gunsmiths available....