Link: Parabellum in Switzerland

Fritzer · 12-10-2007, 06:12 PM

All,

I stumbled on this link while looking through some stuff buried over at stevespages.com

I'm kind of surprised that Pete's web bots haven't found it - but I did a quick search and didn't find any old threads.

Page: http://stevespages.com/page7d.htm
REINHARD KORNAYER 1970 HISTORY OF THE PARABELLUM PISTOL IN SWITZERLAND
Link to PDF: HISTORY OF THE PARABELLUM PISTOL IN SWITZERLAND

Oh yeah, the text is in German, with a few pictures to look at.

Pete Ebbink · 12-12-2007, 10:34 PM

Fritz,

Neat find...thanks for the link...

Guisan · 12-22-2007, 12:50 PM

Well Steve does not seem to like it that people visit his website.
Reinhard Kornmayer did a few private publications about Swiss Lugers and he lives in Germany.
I'm not sure but he may still have copies available for sale, maybe one of the members can contact him about this and organise a group buy

REINHARD KORNMAYER
Schwarzwaldstr. 7
D-78224 Singen
Germany.

Guisan.

Ron Wood · 12-22-2007, 01:38 PM

That little booklet (roughly 6"X8" and 40 pages) was published in 1970 and is long out of print. It is one of the more difficult Swiss Luger publications to find. I have one and I looked for several years to find another one for John Eckert. Unless the copyright has expired, "stevespages" might be a copyright infringement

Edward Tinker · 12-22-2007, 02:12 PM

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BECAUSE OF THE GREED AND ABUSE OF THE PUBLICATION AND MANUAL PAGE BY SOME USERS, IT IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE!

I'M SORRY FOR THIS, BUT IT SEEMS THAT A FEW HAVE RUINED IT FOR ALL!

WHY SOME FIND IT NECESSARY TO DOWNLOAD EVERY MANUAL IS FAR BEYOND MY UNDERSTANDING

As folks download items, it uses up bandwidth. What I find odd is that if you put something on the internet, to look at it, you have to download. So, whadayaexpect Steve?

Guisan · 12-23-2007, 01:43 PM

My idea but still the original writer is the one to decide about this no ?
He's still there and it's worth a try. He wrote at least two booklets see the sources in Vittorio Bobba's book.

Guisan.

Fritzer · 12-23-2007, 09:40 PM

Whoops, well I guess I might have been one of the guilty parties?

When I found the pages, you have to download the compressed files to see what's inside the packages. I thought that site was more welcoming than that?

Ed is probably right, it's caused him to exceed his limits set by his hosting provider.

I just took a quick look, and I didn't save the package when I first reviewed it. If it is a copyright infringement, maybe that is just as well.

Sorry guys, I just call 'em out when I see 'em.
Regards,
Fritz.

Fredo · 12-24-2007, 04:16 AM

If this publication is now copyrights free, why is it a problem? Also, if steve puts it on his web site, why his he getting mad about downloads? That's the purpose of internet to share knowledge with others.

If this document his free, why not putting it on the forum , under technical info, of course with the authors OK

Mary Christmas form Switzerland

Pete Ebbink · 12-24-2007, 12:46 PM

...I will send Mr. Kornmayer a note to see if he might be interested in a re-printing.

I will ask him about the "minimum" number of booklets he would want a "comittment" on before a reprint.

We would then have to do, as Guisan suggest, organize a group buy...maybe a "hard group buy"...where everyone pays up front for their copy before a reprint is ordered.

Fredo · 12-25-2007, 09:00 AM

If we can get a reprint, I will buy one, so please add me on your list

Guisan · 12-25-2007, 04:04 PM

Yup I'm in for both copies.

Guisan.

the gunman · 12-25-2007, 07:52 PM

Both copy's as well.

Pete Ebbink · 01-13-2008, 12:31 PM

Have not received a reply yet, from the author.

I did find this copy during the interim, though...so they are still out there in the USA...

Fredo · 01-13-2008, 01:30 PM

HI pete
Should you have problem with german speaking person or time difference with Europe, I can try to contact him if you hive me his details..

Pete Ebbink · 01-13-2008, 02:02 PM

Frederic,

You are more than welcomed to make contact as well.

Here is the contact info. I used when I sent my letter.

Member "Guisan" had posted the contact info. in a reply, above...

REINHARD KORNMAYER
Schwarzwaldstr. 7
D-78224 Singen
Germany.

Fredo · 01-13-2008, 02:20 PM

Hi
I have found his phone number on the internet, I will call him next week. Can you e-mail me a copy of your letter and I will refer to it. THX

Pete Ebbink · 01-13-2008, 02:33 PM

Fredo,

I did not save a copy of the short letter I wrote.

But you can mention my name and that my letter came from the USA.

I introduced myself, asked if he had any "old" copies for sale and if not, if he would be interested in a reprint...on the basis that we could guarantee a certain number that would be purchased by the members.

My letter went out in the mail around the Christmas Holidays.

BTW...

I did not think about it when I wrote my letter...but you might ask him if he has interest in the reprint-effort...would he consider an English translation added as a supplement to the original booklet(s)...?

He might be able to sell more if an English-version is available.

Fredo · 01-20-2008, 01:36 PM

Dear all
I just had REINHARD KORNMAYER on the phone. It was a real pleasure for me to talk with a 70 years old man which still publishes articles in the Deutsches Waffenjournal http://www.dwj.de .He told that he completely sold his Swiss collection 2 years ago, because none of his sons where having interest in Lugers. He also told me that he owned every models and every variation of the Swiss lugers (~70 units.....) which may have existed.

He totally agreed if we would like to make copies of his book, He doesn't aim for some copyright anymore.

This book was initially made as a brochure for the Swiss collector association and it content has been used several times by other authors. He only got 3 copies left and the only way he can help us is to make photocopies of them.

I think that the pdf copies that were on the internet are ok if we need to make something out of them.

Any suggestion on how to move forward?
Best regards

Pete Ebbink · 01-20-2008, 02:17 PM

Hi Fredo,

Glad you had a nice chat with him on the phone.

In a week or two, I will be less busy with my work and will look into the printing costs of having some copies made of the booklet I just purchased in the past 2 weeks. I can make paper-copies available to members that want one for the printing and mailing costs only...no profit mark-ups.

I will also make a high-resolution pdf-scan of the booklet and will let folks know they can receive a copy as well.

I suspect the pdf-file will be too large for most folks to receive it via email...so we may need to look at having the pdf-file down-loadable from a hosting web site...

BTW...does anyone have the "other " publication that was mentioned above...can you post a scan of what it looks like ?

Maybe was can chase down a paper copy of that one, too, and do the same with it to make it available to members with Swiss interests...???

Fritzer · 01-20-2008, 07:51 PM

Pete,

It's a new year, and I guess Steve is hoping to stay under his bandwidth limit with a mildly worded warning:

"In order to prevent excessive bandwidth abuse please take only what you need so that others may utilize this feature."

The original link is working. If we've made it past the copyright issue, perhaps copy Steve's PDF and host it here for the members?

Regards,
Fritz.

12-10-2007, 06:12 PM	#1
Fritzer User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Link: Parabellum in Switzerland All, I stumbled on this link while looking through some stuff buried over at stevespages.com I'm kind of surprised that Pete's web bots haven't found it - but I did a quick search and didn't find any old threads. Page: http://stevespages.com/page7d.htm REINHARD KORNAYER 1970 HISTORY OF THE PARABELLUM PISTOL IN SWITZERLAND Link to PDF: HISTORY OF THE PARABELLUM PISTOL IN SWITZERLAND Oh yeah, the text is in German, with a few pictures to look at.

12-22-2007, 12:50 PM	#3
Guisan User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Well Steve does not seem to like it that people visit his website. Reinhard Kornmayer did a few private publications about Swiss Lugers and he lives in Germany. I'm not sure but he may still have copies available for sale, maybe one of the members can contact him about this and organise a group buy REINHARD KORNMAYER Schwarzwaldstr. 7 D-78224 Singen Germany. Guisan. __________________ Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets. No surrender. Fight to the death. --Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

12-22-2007, 01:38 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	That little booklet (roughly 6"X8" and 40 pages) was published in 1970 and is long out of print. It is one of the more difficult Swiss Luger publications to find. I have one and I looked for several years to find another one for John Eckert. Unless the copyright has expired, "stevespages" might be a copyright infringement __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-23-2007, 01:43 PM	#6
Guisan User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	My idea but still the original writer is the one to decide about this no ? He's still there and it's worth a try. He wrote at least two booklets see the sources in Vittorio Bobba's book. Guisan. __________________ Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets. No surrender. Fight to the death. --Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

12-25-2007, 04:04 PM	#11
Guisan User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Yup I'm in for both copies. Guisan. __________________ Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets. No surrender. Fight to the death. --Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

12-12-2007, 10:34 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Fritz, Neat find...thanks for the link...

12-23-2007, 09:40 PM	#7
Fritzer User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Whoops, well I guess I might have been one of the guilty parties? When I found the pages, you have to download the compressed files to see what's inside the packages. I thought that site was more welcoming than that? Ed is probably right, it's caused him to exceed his limits set by his hosting provider. I just took a quick look, and I didn't save the package when I first reviewed it. If it is a copyright infringement, maybe that is just as well. Sorry guys, I just call 'em out when I see 'em. Regards, Fritz.

12-24-2007, 04:16 AM	#8
Fredo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lausanne/Switzerland Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If this publication is now copyrights free, why is it a problem? Also, if steve puts it on his web site, why his he getting mad about downloads? That's the purpose of internet to share knowledge with others. If this document his free, why not putting it on the forum , under technical info, of course with the authors OK Mary Christmas form Switzerland

12-24-2007, 12:46 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	...I will send Mr. Kornmayer a note to see if he might be interested in a re-printing. I will ask him about the "minimum" number of booklets he would want a "comittment" on before a reprint. We would then have to do, as Guisan suggest, organize a group buy...maybe a "hard group buy"...where everyone pays up front for their copy before a reprint is ordered.

12-25-2007, 09:00 AM	#10
Fredo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lausanne/Switzerland Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If we can get a reprint, I will buy one, so please add me on your list

12-25-2007, 07:52 PM	#12
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Both copy's as well.

01-13-2008, 12:31 PM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Have not received a reply yet, from the author. I did find this copy during the interim, though...so they are still out there in the USA...

01-13-2008, 01:30 PM	#14
Fredo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lausanne/Switzerland Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HI pete Should you have problem with german speaking person or time difference with Europe, I can try to contact him if you hive me his details..

01-13-2008, 02:02 PM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Frederic, You are more than welcomed to make contact as well. Here is the contact info. I used when I sent my letter. Member "Guisan" had posted the contact info. in a reply, above... REINHARD KORNMAYER Schwarzwaldstr. 7 D-78224 Singen Germany.

01-13-2008, 02:20 PM	#16
Fredo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lausanne/Switzerland Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi I have found his phone number on the internet, I will call him next week. Can you e-mail me a copy of your letter and I will refer to it. THX

01-13-2008, 02:33 PM	#17
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Fredo, I did not save a copy of the short letter I wrote. But you can mention my name and that my letter came from the USA. I introduced myself, asked if he had any "old" copies for sale and if not, if he would be interested in a reprint...on the basis that we could guarantee a certain number that would be purchased by the members. My letter went out in the mail around the Christmas Holidays. BTW... I did not think about it when I wrote my letter...but you might ask him if he has interest in the reprint-effort...would he consider an English translation added as a supplement to the original booklet(s)...? He might be able to sell more if an English-version is available.

01-20-2008, 01:36 PM	#18
Fredo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lausanne/Switzerland Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dear all I just had REINHARD KORNMAYER on the phone. It was a real pleasure for me to talk with a 70 years old man which still publishes articles in the Deutsches Waffenjournal http://www.dwj.de .He told that he completely sold his Swiss collection 2 years ago, because none of his sons where having interest in Lugers. He also told me that he owned every models and every variation of the Swiss lugers (~70 units.....) which may have existed. He totally agreed if we would like to make copies of his book, He doesn't aim for some copyright anymore. This book was initially made as a brochure for the Swiss collector association and it content has been used several times by other authors. He only got 3 copies left and the only way he can help us is to make photocopies of them. I think that the pdf copies that were on the internet are ok if we need to make something out of them. Any suggestion on how to move forward? Best regards

01-20-2008, 02:17 PM	#19
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Fredo, Glad you had a nice chat with him on the phone. In a week or two, I will be less busy with my work and will look into the printing costs of having some copies made of the booklet I just purchased in the past 2 weeks. I can make paper-copies available to members that want one for the printing and mailing costs only...no profit mark-ups. I will also make a high-resolution pdf-scan of the booklet and will let folks know they can receive a copy as well. I suspect the pdf-file will be too large for most folks to receive it via email...so we may need to look at having the pdf-file down-loadable from a hosting web site... BTW...does anyone have the "other " publication that was mentioned above...can you post a scan of what it looks like ? Maybe was can chase down a paper copy of that one, too, and do the same with it to make it available to members with Swiss interests...???

01-20-2008, 07:51 PM	#20
Fritzer User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete, It's a new year, and I guess Steve is hoping to stay under his bandwidth limit with a mildly worded warning: "In order to prevent excessive bandwidth abuse please take only what you need so that others may utilize this feature." The original link is working. If we've made it past the copyright issue, perhaps copy Steve's PDF and host it here for the members? Regards, Fritz.