What metal was use in production?

1phantom · 08-21-2008, 09:29 PM

What metal was use in production of the luger p08

I want to make a CAD file for the p08 luger
I also plan to make the CAD file easily arrange by parts
So repair or part replacement can be done easier

but i need to know what it was made of
so any spec on the steel type and tempering would be appreciated

HisSoldier · 09-29-2008, 12:55 AM

Hmm, No one knows? I'm a machinist myself, looked like a good question.

Edward Tinker · 09-29-2008, 06:38 AM

I have no idea, specifications show dimensions, but NOT type of metal.

Many things ae just not known. I doubt you could find this same information about the Ruger Security Six and it is onl 35 years old... ???

John Sabato · 09-29-2008, 09:05 AM

I am not aware of any technical information that specifies the steel type, but I think that some members may have part of the information from historical documents, but perhaps not the whole picture.

I would recommend the use of 4140 steel as that is the current type used by the industry for most firearms that end up getting blued, but as to hardness and temper of various parts? The only way to be certain would be to get a shooter Luger for testing and have the various parts hardness tested using Rockwell or Brinell tests... and then torture test those parts for durability.

If you don't own my Blueprint CD's... I suggest you order one (see the for sale forum sticky) and get your self a German - English technical dictionary. The blueprints are the largest source of technical information on the Luger.

Vlim · 09-29-2008, 01:37 PM

It is a good question and we are getting closer to answering it. The main problem is the duration of the period the luger was made (some 50 years) during which the German standards developed into the DIN standards, which have now been surpassed by ISO standards.

Documentation dating from 1937 shows a number of DIN steel types and shapes (like round bar, squared bar, etc..) but it's a challenge to find the correct specifications and references.

I can give a couple of steel types:
Frame: DIN steel 50.11, forged.
Toggle and receiver parts, most stress parts: DIN steel C 25.61 and DIN steel C 60.61. Many of these in round bar or squared bar 'raw' shape.

Steinar · 11-01-2008, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by John Sabato
The only way to be certain would be to get a shooter Luger for testing and have the various parts hardness tested using Rockwell or Brinell tests... and then torture test those parts for durability.

I beleve Gerben found a good answer to the question, but if someone has the will and the equipment to do a test like John S. suggested, I can provide a broken frame and and probably some toggle parts. I have some chrap laying around perfect for this.. (both DWM and Mauser frames) just let me know

08-21-2008, 09:29 PM	#1
1phantom New User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What metal was use in production? What metal was use in production of the luger p08 I want to make a CAD file for the p08 luger I also plan to make the CAD file easily arrange by parts So repair or part replacement can be done easier but i need to know what it was made of so any spec on the steel type and tempering would be appreciated

09-29-2008, 12:55 AM	#2
HisSoldier User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Posts: 95 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	Hmm, No one knows? I'm a machinist myself, looked like a good question. __________________ The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

09-29-2008, 06:38 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	I have no idea, specifications show dimensions, but NOT type of metal. Many things ae just not known. I doubt you could find this same information about the Ruger Security Six and it is onl 35 years old... ??? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-29-2008, 09:05 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I am not aware of any technical information that specifies the steel type, but I think that some members may have part of the information from historical documents, but perhaps not the whole picture. I would recommend the use of 4140 steel as that is the current type used by the industry for most firearms that end up getting blued, but as to hardness and temper of various parts? The only way to be certain would be to get a shooter Luger for testing and have the various parts hardness tested using Rockwell or Brinell tests... and then torture test those parts for durability. If you don't own my Blueprint CD's... I suggest you order one (see the for sale forum sticky) and get your self a German - English technical dictionary. The blueprints are the largest source of technical information on the Luger. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-29-2008, 01:37 PM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	It is a good question and we are getting closer to answering it. The main problem is the duration of the period the luger was made (some 50 years) during which the German standards developed into the DIN standards, which have now been surpassed by ISO standards. Documentation dating from 1937 shows a number of DIN steel types and shapes (like round bar, squared bar, etc..) but it's a challenge to find the correct specifications and references. I can give a couple of steel types: Frame: DIN steel 50.11, forged. Toggle and receiver parts, most stress parts: DIN steel C 25.61 and DIN steel C 60.61. Many of these in round bar or squared bar 'raw' shape.