Carbine by Lugerman

[sheepherder]

Aren't Luger carbines exempt from the ATF regulations about SBR's and detachable buttstocks???

Does anyone have the letter or the reg reference???

[berkmberk1]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Aren't Luger carbines exempt from the ATF regulations about SBR's and detachable buttstocks???

Does anyone have the letter or the reg reference???

From the ATF site -

OPEN LETTER ON THE
REDESIGN
OF STABILIZING BRACES”
The Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD), Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has received
inquiries from the public concerning the proper use of devices
recently marketed as stabilizing braces.” These devices are
described as “a shooter’s aid that is designed to improve the single
-handed shooting performance of buffer tube equipped
pistols.” The device claims to enhance a ccuracy and reduce felt recoil
when using an AR -style pistol. These items are intended to improve accuracy by using the operator’s forearm to provide stable support for
the AR - type pistol

. ATF has previously determined that attaching the brace to a
firearm does not alter the classification of the firearm or subject the firearm to National Firearms Act (NFA) control.
However, this classification is based upon the use of the device as designed. When the device is redesigned for use as a shoulder stock on a handgun with a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length, the firearm
is properly classified as a firearm under the NFA.

By this it seems if it was ever originally made this way, its fine. If not i.e fitting a stock to a 1911, it would be "modified" and illegal without ATF approval.

[sheepherder]

Section III pg 36 of the attached BATFE document specifically exempts Luger carbines from NFA status -

[DTR04]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Section III pg 36 of the attached BATFE document specifically exempts Luger carbines from NFA status -

I believe only original carbines are exempt. Recreations are not. This one is not even built on an original carbine frame. IMHO

[John Sabato]

Originally Posted by DTR04

I believe only original carbines are exempt. Recreations are not. This one is not even built on an original carbine frame. IMHO

But being built with a 16" barrel makes this irrelevant... It does not meet the BATFE short barreled rifle (SBR) definition. No exemption from the National Firearms Act of 1934 is required.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by DTR04

I believe only original carbines are exempt. Recreations are not. This one is not even built on an original carbine frame. IMHO

Interesting...How do you tell an original carbine frame from say a 1917 Luger frame???

What about Luger carbines built in Germany back in the '20's by gunsmiths, from left-over or even discarded Great War pistols? Perhaps by a well-known gunsmith located in Vor See; are they exempt? Who says if they are or aren't 'original'???