First Luger Questions

ahearn · 05-14-2011, 04:30 PM

I am about to get my first Luger, a post-war Interarms Mauser, 6" barrel (I'll post pictures later) that will come with box, test target, and accessories.

My questions are:

1) What is the difference between a "Swiss" frame and German frame? Is the difference easy to see in a photograph?

2) What does the "loading tool" do and how does it work?

Thanks

alanint · 05-14-2011, 04:46 PM

Welcome to the forum. In a Swiss frame, the front strap of the grip is completely straight from trigger guard to heel. In the German frame, the front strap has a slight bulge at the heel where the front strap swells out a bit. All German Lugers have this swell. I personally prefer the look of the swelled front strap and do not like the straight front strap.
The loading tool has two main functions. The first is a flat head screwdriver end used to remove the grip screws. The second is as a magazine loader. You place the tool, bent end down, over the follower button on an empty magazine. The oblong cut in the circular cutout will fit over the follower button and allow you to pull the follower down with your thumb as you load the magazine. It just makes loading a little easier.

Ron Smith · 05-14-2011, 05:19 PM

How to use the tool.

saab-bob · 05-14-2011, 06:04 PM

Hello Aheran
Welcome to the forum.
My first luger was also a Mauser Interarms,great gun. Lots of fun to shoot.Still have it. You will find lugers are hard to part with!
The screwdriver part of the loading tool can also be used to remove the firing pin retainer, That is so you can clean the firing pin when you field strip the gun.

Bob

cirelaw · 05-14-2011, 06:25 PM

You guys make me proud to me a member!

sheepherder · 05-14-2011, 06:41 PM

Do any Swiss Lugers have the stock lug???

cirelaw · 05-14-2011, 07:38 PM

It belong to the only swiss carbine I could find in Bobo's book 'PARABELLUM'

ahearn · 05-15-2011, 08:43 PM

Wow! You guys know your stuff. Just the answers I was looking for -- and with photos!

I plan to shoot it soon after it arrives from the seller. Any tips on preparation, shooting and ammo. I have a box of Remington 9mm Luger FMJ ball -- don't plan to use HP.

What can I expect? Recoil? Loading? Accuracy? Care and maintenance? Safety?

tomaustin · 05-15-2011, 11:43 PM

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cirelaw · 05-16-2011, 05:08 PM

Yes on page 88 Parabellum

ahearn · 05-16-2011, 11:12 PM

Hmmmm. So is there a difference between Swiss Lugers and "Swiss style" Lugers, as in the modern Mauser Parabellum models? It seems Swiss Lugers had the grip bulge at the heel same as the German. I was looking at all the Swiss Lugers on Simpson Ltd's web site and all have the lower grip bulge. I'm confused again (but that's not unusual).

MFC · 05-17-2011, 12:20 AM

Only the Swiss 06/29 (model 1906/1929) has the straight front grip strap. Mauser copied that design starting in the 70's. All earlier Swiss models have the bulge.

FNorm · 05-17-2011, 09:34 AM

Swiss: Top a 6/24, bottom a 6/29

FN

klaus 3338 · 05-21-2011, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Smith

How to use the tool.

Ron,
I may ask you to look at the top of your tool if there are markings like on the top of the tools of the added photo.
Thanks for looking!
Regards Klaus

Ron Smith · 05-23-2011, 08:34 AM

Hi Klaus,

Here's are photos of the tool I used. What is the significance of the marks?

Ron

klaus 3338 · 05-23-2011, 01:42 PM

Ron,
if it´s length is about 51,5 mm long I would say it is a Police tool without acceptance mark.
Can I see a front photo? If the groove is to the right side than it´s a Police tool. Only III Reich Police tools are in the white, about 51,5 mm long and have the groove to the right. They usually have some "marks" on the top.
Yours would be the first one without the acceptance I have seen.
Thanks for your help and time.
With best regards from Germany
Klaus

Ron Smith · 05-23-2011, 03:44 PM

Klaus,

It is almost exactly 51.1 MM long. Sorry for the bad photos.

klaus 3338 · 05-23-2011, 05:14 PM

What would you say if you compare both tools?
There are some communities.

Thanks a lot for the photos.

Can I have some better/ bigger for my archiv?

My email would be grafschaft@gmx.de

Klaus

Ron Smith · 05-23-2011, 07:05 PM

Klaus,

They are indeed very similar. I will put this one away. I have been using it as my "shooter" reloading tool. I will send you some much better photos,very soon.

Thanks...

Ron

Ron Smith · 05-23-2011, 07:34 PM

My apologies to Al for Hi-Jacking his post.

Ron

05-14-2011, 04:30 PM	#1
ahearn User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 7 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	First Luger Questions I am about to get my first Luger, a post-war Interarms Mauser, 6" barrel (I'll post pictures later) that will come with box, test target, and accessories. My questions are: 1) What is the difference between a "Swiss" frame and German frame? Is the difference easy to see in a photograph? 2) What does the "loading tool" do and how does it work? Thanks

05-14-2011, 05:19 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	How to use the tool. Attached Thumbnails __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-14-2011, 06:04 PM	#4
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Hello Aheran Welcome to the forum. My first luger was also a Mauser Interarms,great gun. Lots of fun to shoot.Still have it. You will find lugers are hard to part with! The screwdriver part of the loading tool can also be used to remove the firing pin retainer, That is so you can clean the firing pin when you field strip the gun. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

05-14-2011, 06:41 PM	#6
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Do any Swiss Lugers have the stock lug??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

05-14-2011, 07:38 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	This is the only swiss icould find with a stock lug It belong to the only swiss carbine I could find in Bobo's book 'PARABELLUM' Attached Thumbnails

05-14-2011, 04:46 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Welcome to the forum. In a Swiss frame, the front strap of the grip is completely straight from trigger guard to heel. In the German frame, the front strap has a slight bulge at the heel where the front strap swells out a bit. All German Lugers have this swell. I personally prefer the look of the swelled front strap and do not like the straight front strap. The loading tool has two main functions. The first is a flat head screwdriver end used to remove the grip screws. The second is as a magazine loader. You place the tool, bent end down, over the follower button on an empty magazine. The oblong cut in the circular cutout will fit over the follower button and allow you to pull the follower down with your thumb as you load the magazine. It just makes loading a little easier.

05-14-2011, 06:25 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	You guys make me proud to me a member!

05-15-2011, 08:43 PM	#8
ahearn User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 7 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow! You guys know your stuff. Just the answers I was looking for -- and with photos! I plan to shoot it soon after it arrives from the seller. Any tips on preparation, shooting and ammo. I have a box of Remington 9mm Luger FMJ ball -- don't plan to use HP. What can I expect? Recoil? Loading? Accuracy? Care and maintenance? Safety?

05-15-2011, 11:43 PM	#9
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	cirelaw, are you sure that is swiss?? ..

05-16-2011, 05:08 PM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Yes on page 88 Parabellum Attached Thumbnails

05-16-2011, 11:12 PM	#11
ahearn User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 7 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hmmmm. So is there a difference between Swiss Lugers and "Swiss style" Lugers, as in the modern Mauser Parabellum models? It seems Swiss Lugers had the grip bulge at the heel same as the German. I was looking at all the Swiss Lugers on Simpson Ltd's web site and all have the lower grip bulge. I'm confused again (but that's not unusual).

05-17-2011, 12:20 AM	#12
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Only the Swiss 06/29 (model 1906/1929) has the straight front grip strap. Mauser copied that design starting in the 70's. All earlier Swiss models have the bulge. __________________ Mike C.

05-17-2011, 09:34 AM	#13
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Swiss: Top a 6/24, bottom a 6/29 FN Attached Thumbnails Last edited by FNorm; 05-17-2011 at 09:35 AM. Reason: sp

05-23-2011, 08:34 AM	#15
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Klaus, Here's are photos of the tool I used. What is the significance of the marks? Ron Attached Thumbnails __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-23-2011, 01:42 PM	#16
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 409 Times in 160 Posts	Ron, if it´s length is about 51,5 mm long I would say it is a Police tool without acceptance mark. Can I see a front photo? If the groove is to the right side than it´s a Police tool. Only III Reich Police tools are in the white, about 51,5 mm long and have the groove to the right. They usually have some "marks" on the top. Yours would be the first one without the acceptance I have seen. Thanks for your help and time. With best regards from Germany Klaus

05-23-2011, 03:44 PM	#17
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Klaus, It is almost exactly 51.1 MM long. Sorry for the bad photos. Attached Thumbnails __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-23-2011, 05:14 PM	#18
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 409 Times in 160 Posts	What would you say if you compare both tools? There are some communities. Thanks a lot for the photos. Can I have some better/ bigger for my archiv? My email would be grafschaft@gmx.de Klaus Attached Thumbnails

05-23-2011, 07:05 PM	#19
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Klaus, They are indeed very similar. I will put this one away. I have been using it as my "shooter" reloading tool. I will send you some much better photos,very soon. Thanks... Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-23-2011, 07:34 PM	#20
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	My apologies to Al for Hi-Jacking his post. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...