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Unread 11-05-2010, 01:55 PM   #1
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Exclamation Banned: Sabbathmusic, Rheinmetall30mm, Valentine, Brandy, Spandau

To: Sabbathmusic, Rheinmetall30mm, Valentine, Brandy, Spandau (and whatever other user identities you may decide to use in the future), it is really a shame that you cannot play by the rules. (NOTE: You can add user ledzepplin to the list).

My research has determined that all of these usernames were established by the same person using various IP addresses on both the Lugerforum and the P38forum.

You are hereby PERMANENTLY banned from the active use of these forums for violations of the forum rules and terms of service. You are no longer a member of either forum and all such privileges are hereby revoked. Most of the information below outlines the multiple rules, and terms you have violated while exercising the “privilege” of being a member here.

If you continue to attempt to register on either of these forums, the Internet Service Providers (ISP) that you use will be officially notified of your misuse and abuse of this service, to include your obscene postings. If you choose to ignore this warning, and it is determined that you have used the information technology services of your employer to continue the abuse of these forums, the ISP providing that service will be requested to notify your employer, or to provide the registered name of the IP addresses you have used so that we can notify them.

Extracts from the Lugerforum “Rules” and Terms of Service to which you agreed to comply when you registered on this forum:

Registration to this forum is free! We do insist that you abide by the rules and policies detailed below. If you agree to the terms, please check the 'I agree' checkbox and press the 'Register' button below. If you would like to cancel the registration, click ‘here’ to return to the forums index.

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regards, -John S

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Unread 11-05-2010, 03:12 PM   #2
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I was just contacted by this person using yet another fake identity LEDZEPPLIN.

Here is what he had to say:

Originally Posted by ledzeppelin
Ed forgave me, and continued use of profanity. ONE time, and I had no idea it was public. WHY did he get involved anyways? I did not say anything derogatory to you, I disagreed with you. And to ban me from the P-38 forum, me and Orv know each other!

rest assured John, I am no longer going to assume FAKE names on here, this forum is a waste of time and very clickish. Why didn't you talk to me.

SO that's it, and good luck contacted ISP servers in Germany.

Here is my response:


MULTIPLE FAKE Registrations.

You LIED when you registered mulitiple times.
You have LIED about what you own and what you have done.
You have made statements like you know what you are talking about based on experiences based on LIES which could influence others to act on what you have said...
You have been indignant and rude to people based on your LIES.

Next time you join a forum with RULES. You should read them first. Don't come back.

This identity is now banned as well.

This case is closed.
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Unread 11-05-2010, 03:43 PM   #3
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A typical Sociopathic reply. "Oh geez I'm sorry, I won't do it again, blah blah blah...

This guy is a sick loser.

He has also used "etkiller"
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Unread 11-05-2010, 03:44 PM   #4
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Hi John, I want to add my thanks to the others, but haven't figured out how to do it (my kids call me "pre-digital man"!). Anyway, consider yourself thanked. Regards, Norm
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Unread 11-06-2010, 03:29 AM   #5
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I agree with with you that Valentine's comments on proper Parabellum ammo seem inaccurate and would suggest that you delete all of them.


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Unread 11-06-2010, 05:26 AM   #6
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I would have to agree with Sieger - if there are posts that contain inccurate information, then the posts should be removed, removing the possibility of someone being led astray.

Also, this person was banned on Jan's site for the same type of conduct.
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Unread 11-06-2010, 09:23 AM   #7
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Norme: there is a little thumbs up icon at the bottom right corner of each post you simply click to add your thanks. It took me a while to figure this out myself!

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Unread 11-06-2010, 09:48 AM   #8
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Short of deleting them, I wonder if the "Banned" member status on the left under the poster's name could appear in a bright "RED" color. It's easy to miss this when scanning through posts.

At least a new reader could consider the source of information.

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Unread 11-06-2010, 04:19 PM   #9
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John -

Good on you for tracking down all the other alias's...

There are trolls on every forum...I'm actually surprised it took this long for one to surface here...

Argumentative, confrontative, obscene, all-knowing, made-up facts to support their arguments...Bah!!!

I can get that from a wife...any wife...
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