Carbine for sale

DavidJayUden · 05-18-2012, 09:50 AM

Saw this one on GA.com this morning.
http://www.gunsamerica.com//97417400...stock.htm?wl=1

dju

Ron Wood · 05-18-2012, 11:07 AM

Nice looking example but a serial number of 116 doesn't make sense unless they only posted the last three digits.

Douglas Jr. · 05-18-2012, 10:08 PM

They updated the ad: full serial number is given on description as 24116.

DavidJayUden · 05-18-2012, 11:39 PM

They must watch the Luger forum...
dju

Ben M. · 05-20-2012, 10:46 AM

interesting price. a few years back i think the bob simpson shop would have priced one like this at nearly $ 18,000 or more. maybe an outcome of the economy still being in the crapper.

lugercollector · 05-20-2012, 03:39 PM

Do you think the Finish is original?

ithacaartist · 05-21-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lugercollector

Do you think the Finish is original?

One of the first things I look at is the retaining pin in the toggle knob's top. This one looks blued; it should be in the white. Can't tell much about haloes on the stampings from the pics. The edges appear fairly sharp, with a little wear of the finish. Nice job, if refinished.

Oops. Ron knows the real scoop (see below). Sorry for the mis-information!

Ron Wood · 05-21-2012, 11:16 AM

A 1902 does not have a retaining pin in the toggle knob. The axle pin is retained by the toggle lock.

lugercollector · 05-21-2012, 11:25 AM

Ron...Whats your opinion on the originality of the Luger?...Thanks

Ron Wood · 05-21-2012, 12:53 PM

From the photos it looks really good, The straw may or may not have been touched up. The holes in the buttplate may be wormholes in the original horn or they may be casting bubbles in a resin reproduction.

As always, originality can only be determined from hands-on inspection (and sometimes not even then

). Gut feel is that the gun is OK but still needs to be in hand to tell.

lugercollector · 05-21-2012, 01:14 PM

Thanks Ron....I also think it looks pretty good...but,hands on is the best!!

sheepherder · 05-21-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

One of the first things I look at is the retaining pin in the toggle knob's top...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

A 1902 does not have a retaining pin in the toggle knob...

...Then David would go on to the second thing he looks at...

Is the price representative???

Oooohhh...It has a stock lug...I likee...

But no Schnabel nose on the foregrip...And I'm not a fan of the ski-jump front sight ramp...

I'm sorry...But my money will stay under my mattress...

Just a quick question - I know the carbines were made up from donors/parts, but would an original 1902 donor Luger have had a stock lug???

cirelaw · 05-21-2012, 03:39 PM

It was monthe before I found the serial number hidden a 'GERMANY' up to then I thought the :31" was it!

Ron Wood · 05-21-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

...But no Schnabel nose on the foregrip...And I'm not a fan of the ski-jump front sight ramp...

Just a quick question - I know the carbines were made up from donors/parts, but would an original 1902 donor Luger have had a stock lug???

It does have a Schnabel (not a good photo, forearm end not clearly visible in the shadows, but the schnabel is there). 1902 Carbines were not made up from donors/parts, they were original manufacture and had a stock lug to attach the shoulder stock...that is why it is a "carbine". You are thinking of the 1920 Carbines that were "assembled"...oh, and they had stock lugs and stocks too.

cirelaw · 05-23-2012, 08:17 PM

Also Do you know what kind of wood was used! Thank you for all your help over a number of years. Eric

Ron Wood · 05-23-2012, 10:17 PM

The differences are numerous, too many to try to address in this thread. Look at your library of Luger references and you can quickly determine the differences between a 1902 and a 1920 Carbine. The stocks were made of walnut.

sheepherder · 05-24-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

...The stocks were made of walnut.

Any special kind of Walnut??? I've read references to [sic] Sircassian Walnut and Black Walnut...Was the Luger carbine considered a high-end item worth of special furniture???

cirelaw · 05-24-2012, 09:12 AM

Was there any model have such beautiful wood?

Kitkat041836 · 05-24-2012, 09:26 AM

It look good to me also,but I also would need it in hand to be
sure. Thanks George

cirelaw · 05-24-2012, 12:39 PM

Some day maybe Ill fire my 9mm. Just recently Jerry found me an original leather carbine sling!

05-18-2012, 09:50 AM	#1
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Carbine for sale Saw this one on GA.com this morning. http://www.gunsamerica.com//97417400...stock.htm?wl=1 dju

05-18-2012, 11:07 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,096 Times in 1,676 Posts	Nice looking example but a serial number of 116 doesn't make sense unless they only posted the last three digits. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-21-2012, 11:16 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,096 Times in 1,676 Posts	A 1902 does not have a retaining pin in the toggle knob. The axle pin is retained by the toggle lock. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-21-2012, 12:53 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,096 Times in 1,676 Posts	From the photos it looks really good, The straw may or may not have been touched up. The holes in the buttplate may be wormholes in the original horn or they may be casting bubbles in a resin reproduction. As always, originality can only be determined from hands-on inspection (and sometimes not even then ). Gut feel is that the gun is OK but still needs to be in hand to tell. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-21-2012, 03:39 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	It was monthe before I found the serial number hidden a 'GERMANY' up to then I thought the :31" was it! Attached Thumbnails

05-18-2012, 10:08 PM	#3
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	They updated the ad: full serial number is given on description as 24116.

05-18-2012, 11:39 PM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	They must watch the Luger forum... dju

05-20-2012, 10:46 AM	#5
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 476 Thanks: 83 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	interesting price. a few years back i think the bob simpson shop would have priced one like this at nearly $ 18,000 or more. maybe an outcome of the economy still being in the crapper.

05-20-2012, 03:39 PM	#6
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Do you think the Finish is original?

05-21-2012, 11:25 AM	#9
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Ron...Whats your opinion on the originality of the Luger?...Thanks

05-21-2012, 01:14 PM	#11
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Thanks Ron....I also think it looks pretty good...but,hands on is the best!!

05-23-2012, 08:17 PM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ron Were There Differces As You Refer to? Also Do you know what kind of wood was used! Thank you for all your help over a number of years. Eric Attached Thumbnails

05-23-2012, 10:17 PM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,096 Times in 1,676 Posts	The differences are numerous, too many to try to address in this thread. Look at your library of Luger references and you can quickly determine the differences between a 1902 and a 1920 Carbine. The stocks were made of walnut. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-24-2012, 09:12 AM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Was there any model have such beautiful wood? Attached Thumbnails

05-24-2012, 09:26 AM	#19
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	It look good to me also,but I also would need it in hand to be sure. Thanks George

05-24-2012, 12:39 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Some day maybe Ill fire my 9mm. Just recently Jerry found me an original leather carbine sling! Attached Thumbnails