Rare $2,200 holster on eBay

Aaron · 07-14-2002, 11:20 PM

This one derserves a look!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2122164455

Orv Reichert · 07-15-2002, 03:04 PM

It looks like a standard commercial Police holster to me?

Aaron · 07-15-2002, 03:12 PM

I asked the seller on what basis he determined the rarity of this item, but have not received a reply as yet.

John Sabato · 07-15-2002, 03:15 PM

I agree with ORV... a standard Police holster unless there are original markings that we are not being told about...

Quite frankly, I think... [quote]ONLY ISSUED TO WAFFEN XX(CC)OFFICERS. <hr></blockquote> is auction marketing hype for the folks with more money than brains...

lugerholsterrepair · 07-15-2002, 05:09 PM

If you look real close you can see a round emblem stamped in the upper right top flap. I believe this is a death's head stamp. This must be what this guy is leaning on for so many bucks. Jerry Burney

Aaron · 07-15-2002, 08:04 PM

I received an enlarged photo from the seller showing a very blurry death's head stamp as Jerry noticed. I don't know what to say about this. Are there any other known examples which are considered authentic?

John Sabato · 07-16-2002, 12:27 AM

Since no one in my three years with the forum has put forth any facts regarding the true meaning of the death's head mark (It has all been hearsay or just plain speculation) there is no way to measure the value of such a mark on this holster (even if it is genuine!)

Even if there were provenance that the mark meant what the seller has implied I doubt it would add more than $50-100 to the holster's value...

And where does he get the less than 200 made statistic if a Luger holster expert like Jerry Burney doesn't know? I stand by my first post on this item without provenance to the contrary...

Just my $0.02 [img]confused.gif[/img]

sverre · 05-31-2003, 07:47 PM

deaths head!? , maybe it has something to do with the SS-Totenkopf-Division.

heres something about SS-totenkopf
http://www.feldgrau.com/3ss.html

Pete Ebbink · 05-31-2003, 09:36 PM

Mike Morris has a Death Head hoster on his site and certainly much less expensive :

http://relicsofthereichs.com/DEATH%20HEAD%20HOLSTER.jpg

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

sverre · 05-31-2003, 10:09 PM

The Waffen SS Feldgendarmerie had a Death Head embroidered on the front of their caps, maybe this is a Waffen SS Feldgendarmerie holster?

Edward Tinker · 05-31-2003, 10:38 PM

This is a huge deal in several discussions and in several books, specifically Jan's Weimar Lugers, where it was discussed at length. I have heard, but not read that it was a big discussion in Auto Mag also.

Ed

sverre · 05-31-2003, 11:54 PM

if it was only issued to waffen ss officers it must have been to officers in the ss-totenkopf guard but before 1938, becuse in 1938 they started to change to p-38. a little wierd that a police holster was issued to an army officer. and the one on mike morrises page is not a police holster like the one in the auction(i think?) also wierd since they are not same type.

Sverre

07-14-2002, 11:20 PM	#1
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Rare $2,200 holster on eBay This one derserves a look! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2122164455

07-15-2002, 03:04 PM	#2
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It looks like a standard commercial Police holster to me? __________________ ORVEL L. "ORV" REICHERT

07-15-2002, 03:15 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I agree with ORV... a standard Police holster unless there are original markings that we are not being told about... Quite frankly, I think... [quote]ONLY ISSUED TO WAFFEN XX(CC)OFFICERS. <hr></blockquote> is auction marketing hype for the folks with more money than brains... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-15-2002, 05:09 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	If you look real close you can see a round emblem stamped in the upper right top flap. I believe this is a death's head stamp. This must be what this guy is leaning on for so many bucks. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-16-2002, 12:27 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Since no one in my three years with the forum has put forth any facts regarding the true meaning of the death's head mark (It has all been hearsay or just plain speculation) there is no way to measure the value of such a mark on this holster (even if it is genuine!) Even if there were provenance that the mark meant what the seller has implied I doubt it would add more than $50-100 to the holster's value... And where does he get the less than 200 made statistic if a Luger holster expert like Jerry Burney doesn't know? I stand by my first post on this item without provenance to the contrary... Just my $0.02 [img]confused.gif[/img] __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-15-2002, 03:12 PM	#3
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	I asked the seller on what basis he determined the rarity of this item, but have not received a reply as yet.

07-15-2002, 08:04 PM	#6
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	I received an enlarged photo from the seller showing a very blurry death's head stamp as Jerry noticed. I don't know what to say about this. Are there any other known examples which are considered authentic?

05-31-2003, 07:47 PM	#8
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	deaths head!? , maybe it has something to do with the SS-Totenkopf-Division. heres something about SS-totenkopf http://www.feldgrau.com/3ss.html

05-31-2003, 09:36 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Mike Morris has a Death Head hoster on his site and certainly much less expensive : http://relicsofthereichs.com/DEATH%20HEAD%20HOLSTER.jpg Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

05-31-2003, 10:09 PM	#10
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Waffen SS Feldgendarmerie had a Death Head embroidered on the front of their caps, maybe this is a Waffen SS Feldgendarmerie holster?

05-31-2003, 10:38 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	This is a huge deal in several discussions and in several books, specifically Jan's Weimar Lugers, where it was discussed at length. I have heard, but not read that it was a big discussion in Auto Mag also. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-31-2003, 11:54 PM	#12
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	if it was only issued to waffen ss officers it must have been to officers in the ss-totenkopf guard but before 1938, becuse in 1938 they started to change to p-38. a little wierd that a police holster was issued to an army officer. and the one on mike morrises page is not a police holster like the one in the auction(i think?) also wierd since they are not same type. Sverre