Erfurt 1913

gadwalloper · 04-01-2019, 04:44 PM

Gentlemen,
I would appreciate your assistance in reviewing this 1913 Erfurt.
My concern is that it may be a parts gun, as the frame serial number appears lightly struck.
Best regards, Richard

k98mike · 04-01-2019, 04:52 PM

It appears to me that the front of the frame has been filed/ground off and re-numbered.

beachbaker · 04-01-2019, 06:27 PM

The magazine is Swiss made and high quality as you would expect.

lugerholsterrepair · 04-01-2019, 06:52 PM

The sear safety says it was taken into Police service.

mrerick · 04-01-2019, 07:40 PM

Hi, the filed and renumbered frame would essentially remove it from being of collector interest.

The act of changing the serial number could be unlawful and of interest to the ATF if done in the USA.

Norme · 04-01-2019, 07:54 PM

Hi Richard, welcome to the forum!
It is my belief that this gun is a DWM frame whose original serial number ended with the digits 01, married to an Erfurt top half with the serial number 854.
Norm

DonVoigt · 04-01-2019, 09:15 PM

Poorly altered serial number on frame, = stay away.

wayne8661 · 04-02-2019, 06:22 AM

Plus if it was a 1913 it wouldn’t have the slot for the stock on the rear strap.

Bill_in_VA · 04-02-2019, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayne8661

Plus if it was a 1913 it wouldn’t have the slot for the stock on the rear strap.

Not necessarily. 1913 was the transitional year for when the stock lug was added; a lugged 1913 is a legitimate variation (and a somewhat difficult one to find.)

wayne8661 · 04-02-2019, 08:41 AM

I stand corrected!! Thank you

mrerick · 04-02-2019, 09:49 AM

Internal worker marks from the factory inspections and the rear milling pattern of the frame would help verify who made the frame.

cirelaw · 04-02-2019, 10:49 AM

A later 1913 as a stock lug added!

gadwalloper · 04-02-2019, 03:25 PM

Thank you all for your comments and observations.
I only paid $ 250 for it, so I may just use it as a shooter.
Best, Richard

HerrKaiser · 04-02-2019, 03:32 PM

If I may ask where you got it for $250? That’s one heck of a deal on any Luger, much less one that seems to be in functional order like yours. Although it does make the specter of just how legal the gun really is loom larger.

cirelaw · 04-03-2019, 10:12 AM

1913 with and without a stock lug~

gadwalloper · 04-03-2019, 01:37 PM

I bought it from a local gun shop along with several other firearms which were "parts guns" , missing parts, so the price was an average for what I paid for the lot.
Not a back alleyway deal, fully papered through an FFL dealer who does not like to repair trade-ins.
Richard

04-01-2019, 04:44 PM	#1
gadwalloper New User Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Erfurt 1913 Gentlemen, I would appreciate your assistance in reviewing this 1913 Erfurt. My concern is that it may be a parts gun, as the frame serial number appears lightly struck. Best regards, Richard Attached Thumbnails

04-01-2019, 04:52 PM	#2
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Ground off It appears to me that the front of the frame has been filed/ground off and re-numbered.

04-01-2019, 06:27 PM	#3
beachbaker Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: california Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 106 Times in 29 Posts	The magazine is Swiss made and high quality as you would expect. __________________ Curt

04-01-2019, 06:52 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	The sear safety says it was taken into Police service. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-01-2019, 07:40 PM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Hi, the filed and renumbered frame would essentially remove it from being of collector interest. The act of changing the serial number could be unlawful and of interest to the ATF if done in the USA. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

04-01-2019, 07:54 PM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Richard, welcome to the forum! It is my belief that this gun is a DWM frame whose original serial number ended with the digits 01, married to an Erfurt top half with the serial number 854. Norm

04-01-2019, 09:15 PM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Poorly altered serial number on frame, = stay away. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

04-02-2019, 06:22 AM	#8
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Plus if it was a 1913 it wouldn’t have the slot for the stock on the rear strap.

04-02-2019, 08:41 AM	#10
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	I stand corrected!! Thank you

04-02-2019, 09:49 AM	#11
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Internal worker marks from the factory inspections and the rear milling pattern of the frame would help verify who made the frame. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

04-02-2019, 10:49 AM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A later 1913 as a stock lug added!

04-02-2019, 03:25 PM	#13
gadwalloper New User Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Thank you! Thank you all for your comments and observations. I only paid $ 250 for it, so I may just use it as a shooter. Best, Richard

04-02-2019, 03:32 PM	#14
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	If I may ask where you got it for $250? That’s one heck of a deal on any Luger, much less one that seems to be in functional order like yours. Although it does make the specter of just how legal the gun really is loom larger. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

04-03-2019, 10:12 AM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	1913 with and without a stock lug~ Attached Thumbnails

04-03-2019, 01:37 PM	#16
gadwalloper New User Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I bought it from a local gun shop along with several other firearms which were "parts guns" , missing parts, so the price was an average for what I paid for the lot. Not a back alleyway deal, fully papered through an FFL dealer who does not like to repair trade-ins. Richard