My little Luger family

JiveTurkey · 07-29-2015, 09:03 PM

UPDATED 8/18

I have decided to share my little Luger collection. The top one is a 16" barreled .30cal (someone's wackadoo creation) that has a nice refinish and is dated 1917/1920. The Navy has also been refinished at some point but has an unnumbered side plate. The barrel is also without numbers. The Erfurt 9mm is the gem, original finish with every single part having matching numbers including the magazine. It is a 9mm dated 1916 and was brought back by a friends grandpa after WW1. The bottom one is a baby Luger conversion in 9mm dated 1911 that was never modified to have the empty mag hold open mechanism. I'm talking to Neil Keller to see if he by chance did the conversion. I know the photo quality isn't excellent but I have difficulty getting images from my Canon transferred to the Internet. I shot 35mm film until two years ago, so I'm still behind the times in most respects. I hope you've enjoyed seeing my little collection.

Edward Tinker · 07-29-2015, 10:34 PM

welcome to the forum, nice pieces that bring attention when shown I bet

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hayhugh · 07-29-2015, 10:45 PM

Does the 16" function properly what with that long a barrel? Was any spring work involved?

cirelaw · 07-30-2015, 12:10 AM

I love your family portraits~ eric

Norme · 07-30-2015, 08:39 AM

Hi Domenico, I'd like to add my welcome to the forum. Your Navy Luger in particular interests me as I maintain a data base of these guns. Does yours have a date on the chamber, on the left frame rail and on the left side of the front sight block, and if so, what is it? Also, please let me know the full serial number with suffix letter if present, on the front of the frame.
Thanks in advance, Norm

sheepherder · 07-30-2015, 11:13 AM

In light of our recent discussion about 'baby' vs 'pocket' Lugers, I'd like to know more about your 'chopped & channeled' Luger...

Do you know who did it??? Pics of the bare grip frame would be great...

Mac Cat · 07-30-2015, 04:39 PM

Nice collection!

Love to see some closeups
Let me know if I can help with the digital photos and uploading them.
I can help you with resolution, cropping and minor color/contrast adjustments.

Cpl1stNJBattB · 07-30-2015, 05:17 PM

Welcome to the Forum, Domenico

JiveTurkey · 07-30-2015, 05:33 PM

Thanks for the warm welcome guys! This forum has a real wealth of information and I am glad to be a part of it.
On the double date 16" I tried it out with 93 grain loads and it still does not cycle the action as expected. I bet if we chronographed the shots there is some velocity loss going on. I'm more tempted to switch the barrel than I would be to try and get the 16" barrel working. I got the gun fairly cheap so I'm not heartbroken over it.
The Navy Luger shot really well today. The frame is stamped 1917 but the barrel is without markings, ditto the front sight base. It's a nice tight grouper. The frame is 4882a. The upper has no markings aside from DWM on the toggle.
The baby Luger was a delight on the range. I expected it to be balky but it shot through several mags without a hiccup. 115grain Winchester white box was used. I don't know who made it. It has GL on the rear toggle. I will try to upload some photos tonight. The weld on the rear of the frame is a little visible but well finished. The grips are beautifully spliced.
Feel free to ask any questions. I will try to get some pictures of the 1916 Erfurt as it has never been refinished and every single number matches. I have the holster too but it is without any markings.

nukem556 · 07-30-2015, 08:44 PM

GL on the rear toggle? .....oh boy, you're going to have a herd of people here going nuts for some pics!

JiveTurkey · 08-02-2018, 11:47 PM

Sorry guys, I haven’t been on here in ages. I still have no idea who made the baby Luger. It’s a great shooter though. I’m guessing Martz? Maybe? It’s a 1911 that was never retrofit for the hold open.

I have a couple other Lugers too, I’ll add them later. My original love, will always be Mosins. I think I have sixty now. And heaven help me, I’m going after Cold War communist handguns with a new passion. I don’t think I’ll ever find a PSM in 5.45x18 though. I’d trade some mighty choice guns for one of those.

Without further waiting, here’s some photos of the unknown Luger conversion.

DonVoigt · 08-03-2018, 09:23 AM

Welcome back.
Martz marked his creations.

milesc2 · 08-03-2018, 06:38 PM

Any chance you could post a photo of the baby Luger with the grips removed?
I would be really interested in seeing the mainspring and guide in it.
I’m working on getting mine going 100% at the moment.

Mine is maker marked under the grips, have you checked for this?

JiveTurkey · 08-03-2018, 11:55 PM

Here you go guys. I’ve checked near everywhere on this one for a sign of who made it. It could be staring me straight in the face?

I bought it years ago from Simpson LTD and paid a pretty healthy asking price, but it just never lets me down. I’ve put a lot more ammo through it than my other Lugers and honestly wouldn’t mind having another mag or two for it! I haven’t tried (nor will I) and ammo with loony chamber pressures, but everything reasonable feeds and functions great in this little pocket Luger. The dimensions are wonderful too.

Sergio Natali · 08-04-2018, 03:39 PM

Congrats indeed on your fine collection!

07-29-2015, 09:03 PM	#1
JiveTurkey User Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 18 Thanks: 7 Thanked 29 Times in 6 Posts	My little Luger family UPDATED 8/18 I have decided to share my little Luger collection. The top one is a 16" barreled .30cal (someone's wackadoo creation) that has a nice refinish and is dated 1917/1920. The Navy has also been refinished at some point but has an unnumbered side plate. The barrel is also without numbers. The Erfurt 9mm is the gem, original finish with every single part having matching numbers including the magazine. It is a 9mm dated 1916 and was brought back by a friends grandpa after WW1. The bottom one is a baby Luger conversion in 9mm dated 1911 that was never modified to have the empty mag hold open mechanism. I'm talking to Neil Keller to see if he by chance did the conversion. I know the photo quality isn't excellent but I have difficulty getting images from my Canon transferred to the Internet. I shot 35mm film until two years ago, so I'm still behind the times in most respects. I hope you've enjoyed seeing my little collection. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by JiveTurkey; 08-02-2018 at 11:49 PM. Reason: Updated after long absence

07-29-2015, 10:34 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	welcome to the forum, nice pieces that bring attention when shown I bet . . __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-30-2015, 11:13 AM	#6
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	In light of our recent discussion about 'baby' vs 'pocket' Lugers, I'd like to know more about your 'chopped & channeled' Luger... Do you know who did it??? Pics of the bare grip frame would be great... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-30-2015, 05:17 PM	#8
Cpl1stNJBattB User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: West Central Florida Posts: 14 Thanks: 10 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Welcome to the Forum, Domenico __________________

07-30-2015, 08:44 PM	#10
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	GL on the rear toggle? .....oh boy, you're going to have a herd of people here going nuts for some pics! Last edited by nukem556; 07-31-2015 at 12:02 PM.

07-29-2015, 10:45 PM	#3
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Does the 16" function properly what with that long a barrel? Was any spring work involved?

07-30-2015, 12:10 AM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I love your family portraits~ eric

07-30-2015, 08:39 AM	#5
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Domenico, I'd like to add my welcome to the forum. Your Navy Luger in particular interests me as I maintain a data base of these guns. Does yours have a date on the chamber, on the left frame rail and on the left side of the front sight block, and if so, what is it? Also, please let me know the full serial number with suffix letter if present, on the front of the frame. Thanks in advance, Norm

07-30-2015, 04:39 PM	#7
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 725 Thanks: 2,090 Thanked 606 Times in 327 Posts	Nice collection! Love to see some closeups Let me know if I can help with the digital photos and uploading them. I can help you with resolution, cropping and minor color/contrast adjustments.

07-30-2015, 05:33 PM	#9
JiveTurkey User Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 18 Thanks: 7 Thanked 29 Times in 6 Posts	Thanks for the warm welcome guys! This forum has a real wealth of information and I am glad to be a part of it. On the double date 16" I tried it out with 93 grain loads and it still does not cycle the action as expected. I bet if we chronographed the shots there is some velocity loss going on. I'm more tempted to switch the barrel than I would be to try and get the 16" barrel working. I got the gun fairly cheap so I'm not heartbroken over it. The Navy Luger shot really well today. The frame is stamped 1917 but the barrel is without markings, ditto the front sight base. It's a nice tight grouper. The frame is 4882a. The upper has no markings aside from DWM on the toggle. The baby Luger was a delight on the range. I expected it to be balky but it shot through several mags without a hiccup. 115grain Winchester white box was used. I don't know who made it. It has GL on the rear toggle. I will try to upload some photos tonight. The weld on the rear of the frame is a little visible but well finished. The grips are beautifully spliced. Feel free to ask any questions. I will try to get some pictures of the 1916 Erfurt as it has never been refinished and every single number matches. I have the holster too but it is without any markings.

08-02-2018, 11:47 PM	#11
JiveTurkey User Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 18 Thanks: 7 Thanked 29 Times in 6 Posts	How did I not reply to this? Sorry guys, I haven’t been on here in ages. I still have no idea who made the baby Luger. It’s a great shooter though. I’m guessing Martz? Maybe? It’s a 1911 that was never retrofit for the hold open. I have a couple other Lugers too, I’ll add them later. My original love, will always be Mosins. I think I have sixty now. And heaven help me, I’m going after Cold War communist handguns with a new passion. I don’t think I’ll ever find a PSM in 5.45x18 though. I’d trade some mighty choice guns for one of those. Without further waiting, here’s some photos of the unknown Luger conversion. Attached Images

08-03-2018, 09:23 AM	#12
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Welcome back. Martz marked his creations. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

08-03-2018, 06:38 PM	#13
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	Any chance you could post a photo of the baby Luger with the grips removed? I would be really interested in seeing the mainspring and guide in it. I’m working on getting mine going 100% at the moment. Mine is maker marked under the grips, have you checked for this?

08-03-2018, 11:55 PM	#14
JiveTurkey User Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 18 Thanks: 7 Thanked 29 Times in 6 Posts	Here you go guys. I’ve checked near everywhere on this one for a sign of who made it. It could be staring me straight in the face? I bought it years ago from Simpson LTD and paid a pretty healthy asking price, but it just never lets me down. I’ve put a lot more ammo through it than my other Lugers and honestly wouldn’t mind having another mag or two for it! I haven’t tried (nor will I) and ammo with loony chamber pressures, but everything reasonable feeds and functions great in this little pocket Luger. The dimensions are wonderful too. Attached Thumbnails

08-04-2018, 03:39 PM	#15
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Congrats indeed on your fine collection! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.