front strap marking 4.G.G.M.G.20.

CorporalGungee · 12-21-2013, 12:14 AM

I just receiver a rather strange short frame Luger and all the frame parts are matched to each other three digit number with no letter . The front strap is marked 4.G.G.M.G.20. and I have no idea what this means . I also do not know from what varation model this is as it came with a complete matching 1917 DWM Artillery upper barrel assembly .

The frame is set up for a grip safety ( removed ) and the markings on the thumb safety ( regular type ) area have been moved from the bottom to the top ! No stock lug at all and it does not look ground down either . The serial number are the commercial hidden style and all of the match . The safety bar has a proof mark on it , Crown over letter "D" or "W" , I'm not too sure which one but it is numbered to the frame . I'm ready not too sure what I have here , but I'm thinking maybe some type of "06 Navy originally ???

klaus 3338 · 12-21-2013, 03:09 AM

It means (Königin Augsta) Garde Grenadier Regiment Nr.4 Maschinen Gewehr Kompagnie.
The M.G.K. was part of the (3.) Füsilier Bataillon.
Station was Berlin. It was a young regiment, "born" in 1860.
Some pics would be nice and helpful.

CorporalGungee · 12-21-2013, 04:17 AM

I do have some pictures but they are rather poor quality . I'll try to get some better ones taken soon . Thank You so much for the info on what the strap markings mean !!!

aldo35 · 12-21-2013, 12:04 PM

It sounds like the frame is grip safety frame mated to an artillery upper. The fact that the arty barrel is 8" suggests this was a bring back.

The serial number on the frame, is it a 5 digit number over Germany, which would suggest an export frame?

Aldo35

CorporalGungee · 12-21-2013, 12:56 PM

frame itself is three digit number with no letter and NOT marked Germany either .

aldo35 · 12-22-2013, 02:42 PM

What is date above chamber and logo on toggles? This might be a clue. The more I think about this one it could be a factory original where they converted a grip safety frame to make and arty. However the lack of a stock lug trows me off that line. How are the pictures coming?
Aldo35

George Anderson · 12-22-2013, 03:27 PM

With the grip strap marking indicated and a three digit serial number there is almost no way it can have a grip safety frame.

CorporalGungee · 12-22-2013, 03:48 PM

the Artillery barreled upper is dated 1917 DWM , with fine tune rear and standard front sight . The complete upper is matching to itself , four digit numbered with letter suffix .

The frame has the cut in the bottom rear left side for the grip safety spring ; an upside down "coma" with a hole below that .

btw , I married this rather strange Artillery up to the very strange Artillery Ertaz holster that I had put up here on the forum .

CorporalGungee · 12-24-2013, 07:35 PM

I am trying out a new camera 35mm SLR ; this is my first time using it , so I hope the pic's are okay in telling the story ....

SteveM · 12-25-2013, 05:49 AM

Is that a navy receiver?

aldo35 · 12-25-2013, 01:33 PM

Hi

Great pictures! Definitely a spot or grip safety spring in that frame.

Aldo35

George Anderson · 12-25-2013, 02:05 PM

Has to be an '06 commercial frame utilized to make a P08 in 1909 or 1910.

CorporalGungee · 12-25-2013, 02:14 PM

I'm not sure if the frame is a commercial or Navy ; but in any case where it is cut for the grip safety I'd have to say it's a '06 frame . Where it was a military arsenal rework modification , this really throws my head in a lope . In any case there is no stock lug and it's a short frame .

aldo35 · 12-25-2013, 09:30 PM

Hi,

I believe all commercial frames had a 5 digit serial number. Looks like a 06 frame may have been reworked before serial numbers applied.

What do they do to convert safety bar on an 06?

Aldo35

CorporalGungee · 12-25-2013, 09:50 PM

it looks like they just replaced it with a P08 version and removed the grip safety parts . the safety & bar are both numbered "07" to the frame , as well as the grips , trigger , side plate , locking bolt . I did not see any numbered on the magazine catch , but did not take it out either .

aldo35 · 12-26-2013, 11:45 AM

Hi,

I tried to place a 08 safety and bar in an 06 frame and it wouldn't fit.
I'll try again,but I think you have to change the bar somehow to fit.

Aldo35

CorporalGungee · 12-26-2013, 02:11 PM

the safety bar is different I think ?

12-21-2013, 12:14 AM	#1
CorporalGungee User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 33 Thanks: 12 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	front strap marking 4.G.G.M.G.20. I just receiver a rather strange short frame Luger and all the frame parts are matched to each other three digit number with no letter . The front strap is marked 4.G.G.M.G.20. and I have no idea what this means . I also do not know from what varation model this is as it came with a complete matching 1917 DWM Artillery upper barrel assembly . The frame is set up for a grip safety ( removed ) and the markings on the thumb safety ( regular type ) area have been moved from the bottom to the top ! No stock lug at all and it does not look ground down either . The serial number are the commercial hidden style and all of the match . The safety bar has a proof mark on it , Crown over letter "D" or "W" , I'm not too sure which one but it is numbered to the frame . I'm ready not too sure what I have here , but I'm thinking maybe some type of "06 Navy originally ???

12-21-2013, 12:04 PM	#4
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 308 Thanks: 2,159 Thanked 135 Times in 67 Posts	Luger Serial Number It sounds like the frame is grip safety frame mated to an artillery upper. The fact that the arty barrel is 8" suggests this was a bring back. The serial number on the frame, is it a 5 digit number over Germany, which would suggest an export frame? Aldo35

12-22-2013, 02:42 PM	#6
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 308 Thanks: 2,159 Thanked 135 Times in 67 Posts	Luger Serial Number What is date above chamber and logo on toggles? This might be a clue. The more I think about this one it could be a factory original where they converted a grip safety frame to make and arty. However the lack of a stock lug trows me off that line. How are the pictures coming? Aldo35

12-24-2013, 07:35 PM	#9
CorporalGungee User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 33 Thanks: 12 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	I am trying out a new camera 35mm SLR ; this is my first time using it , so I hope the pic's are okay in telling the story .... Attached Thumbnails Last edited by CorporalGungee; 12-24-2013 at 08:02 PM. Reason: added pic

12-25-2013, 01:33 PM	#11
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 308 Thanks: 2,159 Thanked 135 Times in 67 Posts	Luger Frame Hi Great pictures! Definitely a spot or grip safety spring in that frame. Aldo35

12-21-2013, 03:09 AM	#2
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 513 Thanks: 0 Thanked 394 Times in 156 Posts	It means (Königin Augsta) Garde Grenadier Regiment Nr.4 Maschinen Gewehr Kompagnie. The M.G.K. was part of the (3.) Füsilier Bataillon. Station was Berlin. It was a young regiment, "born" in 1860. Some pics would be nice and helpful.

12-21-2013, 04:17 AM	#3
CorporalGungee User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 33 Thanks: 12 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	I do have some pictures but they are rather poor quality . I'll try to get some better ones taken soon . Thank You so much for the info on what the strap markings mean !!!

12-21-2013, 12:56 PM	#5
CorporalGungee User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 33 Thanks: 12 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	frame itself is three digit number with no letter and NOT marked Germany either .

12-22-2013, 03:27 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	With the grip strap marking indicated and a three digit serial number there is almost no way it can have a grip safety frame.

12-22-2013, 03:48 PM	#8
CorporalGungee User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 33 Thanks: 12 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	the Artillery barreled upper is dated 1917 DWM , with fine tune rear and standard front sight . The complete upper is matching to itself , four digit numbered with letter suffix . The frame has the cut in the bottom rear left side for the grip safety spring ; an upside down "coma" with a hole below that . btw , I married this rather strange Artillery up to the very strange Artillery Ertaz holster that I had put up here on the forum .

12-25-2013, 05:49 AM	#10
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Is that a navy receiver?

12-25-2013, 02:05 PM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Has to be an '06 commercial frame utilized to make a P08 in 1909 or 1910.

12-25-2013, 02:14 PM	#13
CorporalGungee User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 33 Thanks: 12 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	I'm not sure if the frame is a commercial or Navy ; but in any case where it is cut for the grip safety I'd have to say it's a '06 frame . Where it was a military arsenal rework modification , this really throws my head in a lope . In any case there is no stock lug and it's a short frame .

12-25-2013, 09:30 PM	#14
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 308 Thanks: 2,159 Thanked 135 Times in 67 Posts	Luger frame Hi, I believe all commercial frames had a 5 digit serial number. Looks like a 06 frame may have been reworked before serial numbers applied. What do they do to convert safety bar on an 06? Aldo35

12-25-2013, 09:50 PM	#15
CorporalGungee User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 33 Thanks: 12 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	it looks like they just replaced it with a P08 version and removed the grip safety parts . the safety & bar are both numbered "07" to the frame , as well as the grips , trigger , side plate , locking bolt . I did not see any numbered on the magazine catch , but did not take it out either .

12-26-2013, 11:45 AM	#16
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 308 Thanks: 2,159 Thanked 135 Times in 67 Posts	06 Frame Hi, I tried to place a 08 safety and bar in an 06 frame and it wouldn't fit. I'll try again,but I think you have to change the bar somehow to fit. Aldo35

12-26-2013, 02:11 PM	#17
CorporalGungee User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 33 Thanks: 12 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	the safety bar is different I think ?