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12-05-2002, 05:03 PM | #1 |
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Hello all, need some help...acquired DWM Com'l. Serial number 85xx i in 30 cal., original rust blue & straw,all matching #'s,plated unnumbered wood bottom mag,"Gesichert" under safety lever,"Geladen" extractor,unfluted firing pin, no stock lug,C/N on left side of barrel extension and the forward link,3-3/4" barrel and a grip safety.Any comments as to what I should call it? Sorry, no pics..,no digital camera, got a scanner, I can e-mail to anyone interested. Best regards, Daniel <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
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12-05-2002, 05:23 PM | #2 |
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Sounds like a rework of a Pre 1913 DWM Luger turned into a 1920 Commercial or Alphabet Luger.
The "i" suffix and the crown N and the barrel length and caliber indicate this.
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Thor, with no stock lug and a grip safety?
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12-05-2002, 05:51 PM | #4 |
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I do believe that is what you have. Most earlier 30 Lugers would have a 4 3/4" barrel and would not have the upright crown N. The Crown N proof in the upright position was only used after 1918 and at that time they were adding the stock lug, so I would think your frame w/o stock lug was made prior to 1912 and the 30 Luger barrel added in the 1920s and reproofed. I do believe it is a 1920 Commercial 30 Luger. Many of these were Imperial Lugers that were reworked as is the case of your Luger IMO.
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Daniel, can you lay it on your scanner and scan her in and post the picture, or send me a picture and I will post it for you?
Both sides?
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Your short frame 7.65mm Luger with grip safety is of the 1906 style, but the "i" suffix serial indicates production or rework after 1919. So I would call it a M06/20 variation. These are discussed in Kenynon's "Lugers at Random" on page 180. These grip safety commericals were popular with the Swiss (see page 192) and other non-German customers (see page 198). Tom H.
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Tom, I noticed that the variation shown in Lugers at Random has a swiss cross, the safety marking removed and the stock lug ground off. Wonder if his has any of these features. I did notice that the Luger shown on this page did fall in the "i" block as does the Luger we are discussing......interesting!!
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Thanks all, Daniel <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
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Thor, These "i" block commerical lugers were the first new production (possibly using some left over WW1 parts) DWM commericals after the 5 digit serial numbers reached 99999, then DWM switch to the military style serialization starting with the i block. Many in this range went to Kreighoff for commerical sale in Germany, to the Swiss as you mentioned and to others: eg Abercrombie & Fitch el al. Tom
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