My Luger - Page 3

Edward Tinker · 10-18-2002, 03:46 PM

Here are #1 Dude's slightly larger pictures. Will leave them on my server for a while, then shrink em and drop them onto Johns Server [img]smile.gif[/img]

John Sabato · 10-18-2002, 03:48 PM

My second opinion, after seeing the later photographs is the same as my first guess...that this Luger is righteous...

Once again Brandon... Good find! Its a gem! wish it were mine.

Lugers down under · 10-18-2002, 03:55 PM

Brandon,
You have got your self a really nice first Luger.
If that is an example of the quality of your first Luger then look out Ralph and Jan Still!!!
My first was a seriously refinished and "reblued in the bath" Eurfurt back in 1972 and I thought it was the greatest.
You have done very well and the price was great.
We would pay more than that down under here and Lugers here are half the price they are in the USA.
Best wishes
Murray,
Great Barrier Island,
New Zealand.

Frank · 10-18-2002, 05:04 PM

Brandon, it looks right to me!! Now all you have to do is to take it down far enough to confirm the serial numbers match. Inside trigger plate, trigger, grips, main toggle pin, breechblock, hold open and firing pin. If they all are marked with the last two digits of the serial number (except the inside numbers on the trigger plate should be the same as the first two digits), you have a collectable Luger. Otherwise, you have one heck of a nice shooter!! Congratulations!!

Jan C Still · 10-18-2002, 05:45 PM

Edward Tinker · 10-18-2002, 05:59 PM

Does anyone have notes on inaccuracys in many of the printed books?

I'd like to get some notes from some of you. I remember reading about notes being discussed on Benders book and several discussions on Costanzo.

Oh and lets play nice out here... <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />

Thor · 10-18-2002, 06:51 PM

It is a pity that in all this the main thing IMO is to congratulate Brandon on his find! These are the kind of discussions that point out what to look for in different Luger variation. Nice find Brandon, and I appreciate discussing Lugers from all angles. Some of the information may be dated, but there are still finds out there if we continue to look, that to me is half the fun is the hunt. Thanks to all that make this a great place to talk about our favorite pistol. I enjoyed our discussion Herb even if it was a little "exciting".

Pete Ebbink · 10-18-2002, 06:55 PM

Hello Brandon,

1. Boy you did great your first time out. What a nice Mauser...

2. Now it is time to put an "acquisition plan" together to structure and discipline your on-going luger hunting...or you might be tempted to buy any/every good looking luger that comes along.

3. I am sure many of our advanced collectors here on the Forum would be willing to suggest a plan, once you decide areas of your collecting interest...

Keep up the good hunting !

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Edward Tinker · 10-18-2002, 07:08 PM

So, Brandon, what these guys are trying to tell you is that you need a roadmap, specialize in one kind of gun or era...

Great idea, but when that WW2 Luger came along, well i Wanted it. When that ugly little Dreyse came along, well you get the picture, but it is far easier to become an expert on a small field than an expert on wide ranging issues.

MauserLugers · 10-18-2002, 10:17 PM

Hi Brandon,
Your 1937 S/42 is correct. The transition from straw to blue took place some place around the "T" block. Before that all were strawed with rust blue, and after that all were all blued with salt blue. During the transition period of the "S" or "T" block you can find a combination of rust and salt blue and a combination of droop eagle 63 and straight eagle 63 acceptance marks. An interesting variation is a strawed Luger with a bump, as all the strawed variations did not have this except these transition pieces.

We have been through this before, and I stated before that there was a lot of bad information being posted on the forum. These "old books" are great, but they do contain lots of mistakes. Matter of fact, all the books contain mistakes, and if you are going to answer questions just by looking up stuff in different books and you really do not know the answer ahead of time, then you will no doubt at times pass on wrong information. No one can know all the answers in all the different fields of Lugers, as there are just too many differences between variations. My field is Mauser Military and Mauser Police Lugers. I know some about Imperial and a lot about Weimar Police Lugers, but Mausers are what I am more familar with. In my opinion, Jan Still's books are the most recent and most accurate at this time. Good collecting.

Jimbo · 10-18-2002, 11:54 PM

Hi Bill,

I will take to heart your opinion that Still's information is more likely to be accurate than older books. Thanks,

Jimbo

Brandon · 10-19-2002, 11:50 AM

Everyone,
Thank you for your opinions, and kind remarks! I have looked up my Luger in the 2001 edition of: The Standard Catalog Of Firearms and it lists in Very Good condition for $1100.00 and in good condition it lists for $750.00 so I would put it between those two grades.... What do you all think?

I'm going to do a photo shoot of my "ac 44" code P.38 later and post those on the P.38 forum! This sucker IMO looks alot better (condition wise) than the Luger! So if anyone wants to look at those pic's, they will be on the P.38 forum later today!

Once Again, Thanks alot!!!
Brandon...

ESU · 10-21-2002, 03:14 PM

Brandon for the price of that camera you could have bought another Luger lol. Nice weapon, good luck with it.

10-18-2002, 03:46 PM	#41
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Here are #1 Dude's slightly larger pictures. Will leave them on my server for a while, then shrink em and drop them onto Johns Server [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-18-2002, 03:48 PM	#42
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	My second opinion, after seeing the later photographs is the same as my first guess...that this Luger is righteous... Once again Brandon... Good find! Its a gem! wish it were mine. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-18-2002, 03:55 PM	#43
Lugers down under User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Great Barrier Island, New Zealand Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Brandon, You have got your self a really nice first Luger. If that is an example of the quality of your first Luger then look out Ralph and Jan Still!!! My first was a seriously refinished and "reblued in the bath" Eurfurt back in 1972 and I thought it was the greatest. You have done very well and the price was great. We would pay more than that down under here and Lugers here are half the price they are in the USA. Best wishes Murray, Great Barrier Island, New Zealand. __________________ Lugers down under

10-18-2002, 05:59 PM	#46
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Does anyone have notes on inaccuracys in many of the printed books? I'd like to get some notes from some of you. I remember reading about notes being discussed on Benders book and several discussions on Costanzo. Oh and lets play nice out here... <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" /> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-18-2002, 06:51 PM	#47
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	It is a pity that in all this the main thing IMO is to congratulate Brandon on his find! These are the kind of discussions that point out what to look for in different Luger variation. Nice find Brandon, and I appreciate discussing Lugers from all angles. Some of the information may be dated, but there are still finds out there if we continue to look, that to me is half the fun is the hunt. Thanks to all that make this a great place to talk about our favorite pistol. I enjoyed our discussion Herb even if it was a little "exciting". __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

10-18-2002, 05:04 PM	#44
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Brandon, it looks right to me!! Now all you have to do is to take it down far enough to confirm the serial numbers match. Inside trigger plate, trigger, grips, main toggle pin, breechblock, hold open and firing pin. If they all are marked with the last two digits of the serial number (except the inside numbers on the trigger plate should be the same as the first two digits), you have a collectable Luger. Otherwise, you have one heck of a nice shooter!! Congratulations!!

10-18-2002, 05:45 PM	#45
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts

10-18-2002, 06:55 PM	#48
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Brandon, 1. Boy you did great your first time out. What a nice Mauser... 2. Now it is time to put an "acquisition plan" together to structure and discipline your on-going luger hunting...or you might be tempted to buy any/every good looking luger that comes along. 3. I am sure many of our advanced collectors here on the Forum would be willing to suggest a plan, once you decide areas of your collecting interest... Keep up the good hunting ! Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

10-18-2002, 07:08 PM	#49
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	So, Brandon, what these guys are trying to tell you is that you need a roadmap, specialize in one kind of gun or era... Great idea, but when that WW2 Luger came along, well i Wanted it. When that ugly little Dreyse came along, well you get the picture, but it is far easier to become an expert on a small field than an expert on wide ranging issues. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-18-2002, 10:17 PM	#50
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi Brandon, Your 1937 S/42 is correct. The transition from straw to blue took place some place around the "T" block. Before that all were strawed with rust blue, and after that all were all blued with salt blue. During the transition period of the "S" or "T" block you can find a combination of rust and salt blue and a combination of droop eagle 63 and straight eagle 63 acceptance marks. An interesting variation is a strawed Luger with a bump, as all the strawed variations did not have this except these transition pieces. We have been through this before, and I stated before that there was a lot of bad information being posted on the forum. These "old books" are great, but they do contain lots of mistakes. Matter of fact, all the books contain mistakes, and if you are going to answer questions just by looking up stuff in different books and you really do not know the answer ahead of time, then you will no doubt at times pass on wrong information. No one can know all the answers in all the different fields of Lugers, as there are just too many differences between variations. My field is Mauser Military and Mauser Police Lugers. I know some about Imperial and a lot about Weimar Police Lugers, but Mausers are what I am more familar with. In my opinion, Jan Still's books are the most recent and most accurate at this time. Good collecting.

10-18-2002, 11:54 PM	#51
Jimbo User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF CA Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Bill, I will take to heart your opinion that Still's information is more likely to be accurate than older books. Thanks, Jimbo

10-19-2002, 11:50 AM	#52
Brandon User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 329 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Everyone, Thank you for your opinions, and kind remarks! I have looked up my Luger in the 2001 edition of: The Standard Catalog Of Firearms and it lists in Very Good condition for $1100.00 and in good condition it lists for $750.00 so I would put it between those two grades.... What do you all think? I'm going to do a photo shoot of my "ac 44" code P.38 later and post those on the P.38 forum! This sucker IMO looks alot better (condition wise) than the Luger! So if anyone wants to look at those pic's, they will be on the P.38 forum later today! Once Again, Thanks alot!!! Brandon...

10-21-2002, 03:14 PM	#53
ESU User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NY Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Brandon for the price of that camera you could have bought another Luger lol. Nice weapon, good luck with it.