Whats with the '9' on the grips on some artillerys? - Page 2

Sergio Natali · 02-10-2015, 03:47 AM

Too bad here you can find very good Red Nine... BUT as usual they are all rechambred 9X21 IMI!!!!

Sergio

alvin · 02-10-2015, 05:57 AM

Is 9x21 IMI more powerful than 9x19 Luger? or weaker?

This Red 9 has a little bit issue. The hammer and lock frame were polished silver bright by someone.

alanint · 02-10-2015, 07:02 AM

Technically, it is more powerful, as the case may be loaded to a greater capacity than standard 9MM. This again illustrates the inane logic of goverments worldwide. The citizens are prohibited from owning a "goverment" caliber, so lets approve a slightly stretched case for them to use.

alvin · 02-10-2015, 08:22 AM

Only 9x19mm has to be rebored, or everything has to be rebored, including 7.63x25mm ?

cirelaw · 02-10-2015, 08:37 AM

Sergio, What a pretty gun! which fires better a C96 or a luger? Which is more accurate? Which do you prefer? Eric

alanint · 02-10-2015, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Only 9x19mm has to be rebored, or everything has to be rebored, including 7.63x25mm ?

I believe, (if it is anything like similar laws I am aware of), that only calibers used by the local military must be altered. All others may stay the same.

alvin · 02-10-2015, 08:55 AM

Then, collecting 7.63mm pistols in this context. No question. For its original bore and for it being a genuine Mauser caliber from "purist" point of view. Personally, I love 7.63mm Mauser over Red 9.

But for Luger, still need to go 9mm though. 9mm is mainstream in Luger. No way to bypass that. I mean, cannot only collect 7.65mm, that's not representative.

cirelaw · 02-10-2015, 09:16 AM

History Channel To The Rescue~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJuKiMaCwU

Sergio Natali · 02-10-2015, 11:57 AM

Eric

Doug is correct, only calibers used by Army and Police get altered.

Until not many years ago even .45ACP was banned and the guns rechambered .45HP so the actual chamber reduced to 21mm, the problem is that when you find a beautiful WWI 1911 you might discover that is chambered 45HP (happed to me just last saturday)

I love the LUGER pistol, but C96 represents a bit of history too, couldn't tell which one I prefer.

Sergio

cirelaw · 02-10-2015, 12:15 PM

First, I am always impressed by yourselve and friends knowledge and respect for all the firearm Beauties. I must confess the Walther family is one of my favorite. I think that somet under estimate their importance, prestige and shere beautiful! They probobly produced more different fine models than any one! We are especially privaleged to be able to hold them in our hand~~Lets not forget James Bond! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...stol-A-History

cirelaw · 02-10-2015, 12:49 PM

007 opening sequence useing lugers and ppk'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-c8aAntWA like you never seen before!

cirelaw · 02-10-2015, 01:12 PM

Jame Bond, 'The Spy Who Loved Me' has both a luger and PPK in the opening credits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-c8aAntWA

Sergio Natali · 02-10-2015, 01:22 PM

Walter PPK is a smaller version of the Walter PP.
It's quite a cute little gun, widely used by German Police forces during WWII
Adolf Hitler shot himself with his PPK 7.65mm in his Führerbunkern in 1945.
I've seen some really nice ones recently, and not that expensive either, for instance the one enclosed Zella Mehlis costs about USD 1K
Somehow I've never managed to be interested in them (so far), I tend to prefer bigger handguns like 1911, Lugers and SIGs

Sergio

alanint · 02-10-2015, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Jame Bond, 'The Spy Who Loved Me' has both a luger and PPK in the opening credits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-c8aAntWA

They managed to sneak a Beretta .25 Caliber into the sequence. Many people are not aware, but the Beretta was Bond's favorite gun until M MADE him switch to the PPK.

cirelaw · 02-10-2015, 01:39 PM

Sergio, Whats the story with the party leader edition. I noticed there were several thousand?? Are there any other super rare examples?? Thanks my Friend!!

cirelaw · 02-10-2015, 01:41 PM

Doug nothing gets by you! Is that the one with a hole in the trigger?

cirelaw · 02-10-2015, 01:51 PM

Berreta and Glock Awesome~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkS8u4QMvPA This one is for you!

Sergio Natali · 02-10-2015, 03:03 PM

Quite an interesting clip, (only one remark I wonder why they were showing guns so improperly held); anyway I love the Beretta that sometimes I use at the range, but since 1990 I've already owned and widely used at least a dozen different GLOCKs, at the moment I own a G17 Gen4 and a G19 Gen4.
For practical shooting instead I prefer the CZ SP01 SHADOW.

Sergio

alvin · 02-10-2015, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

I've seen some really nice ones recently, and not that expensive either, for instance the one enclosed Zella Mehlis costs about USD 1K

Yeah. Cheap!! Back some days ago, a member posted an ad on a RZM PPK in the WTS column. I thought I would trade with a Mauser 1930 for it. But looks like the seller had no interest. Anyway, I need to find another nice one in future. The variation is scarce, but still showing up on regular basis. Not urgent.

alanint · 02-10-2015, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Doug nothing gets by you! Is that the one with a hole in the trigger?

Hole in the hammer, but yes.

02-10-2015, 03:47 AM	#21
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Too bad here you can find very good Red Nine... BUT as usual they are all rechambred 9X21 IMI!!!! Sergio Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-10-2015, 09:16 AM	#28
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	History Channel To The Rescue~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJuKiMaCwU Attached Thumbnails

02-10-2015, 11:57 AM	#29
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Eric Doug is correct, only calibers used by Army and Police get altered. Until not many years ago even .45ACP was banned and the guns rechambered .45HP so the actual chamber reduced to 21mm, the problem is that when you find a beautiful WWI 1911 you might discover that is chambered 45HP (happed to me just last saturday) I love the LUGER pistol, but C96 represents a bit of history too, couldn't tell which one I prefer. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-10-2015, 12:15 PM	#30
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	First, I am always impressed by yourselve and friends knowledge and respect for all the firearm Beauties. I must confess the Walther family is one of my favorite. I think that somet under estimate their importance, prestige and shere beautiful! They probobly produced more different fine models than any one! We are especially privaleged to be able to hold them in our hand~~Lets not forget James Bond! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...stol-A-History Attached Thumbnails

02-10-2015, 01:12 PM	#32
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Jame Bond, 'The Spy Who Loved Me' has both a luger and PPK in the opening credits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-c8aAntWA Attached Thumbnails

02-10-2015, 05:57 AM	#22
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Is 9x21 IMI more powerful than 9x19 Luger? or weaker? This Red 9 has a little bit issue. The hammer and lock frame were polished silver bright by someone.

02-10-2015, 07:02 AM	#23
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Technically, it is more powerful, as the case may be loaded to a greater capacity than standard 9MM. This again illustrates the inane logic of goverments worldwide. The citizens are prohibited from owning a "goverment" caliber, so lets approve a slightly stretched case for them to use.

02-10-2015, 08:22 AM	#24
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Only 9x19mm has to be rebored, or everything has to be rebored, including 7.63x25mm ?

02-10-2015, 08:37 AM	#25
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Sergio, What a pretty gun! which fires better a C96 or a luger? Which is more accurate? Which do you prefer? Eric

02-10-2015, 08:55 AM	#27
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Then, collecting 7.63mm pistols in this context. No question. For its original bore and for it being a genuine Mauser caliber from "purist" point of view. Personally, I love 7.63mm Mauser over Red 9. But for Luger, still need to go 9mm though. 9mm is mainstream in Luger. No way to bypass that. I mean, cannot only collect 7.65mm, that's not representative.

02-10-2015, 12:49 PM	#31
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	007 opening sequence useing lugers and ppk'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-c8aAntWA like you never seen before!

02-10-2015, 01:22 PM	#33
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Walter PPK is a smaller version of the Walter PP. It's quite a cute little gun, widely used by German Police forces during WWII Adolf Hitler shot himself with his PPK 7.65mm in his Führerbunkern in 1945. I've seen some really nice ones recently, and not that expensive either, for instance the one enclosed Zella Mehlis costs about USD 1K Somehow I've never managed to be interested in them (so far), I tend to prefer bigger handguns like 1911, Lugers and SIGs Sergio Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list. Last edited by Sergio Natali; 02-10-2015 at 02:52 PM. Reason: misspelling, as usual...full of mistakes

02-10-2015, 01:39 PM	#35
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Sergio, Whats the story with the party leader edition. I noticed there were several thousand?? Are there any other super rare examples?? Thanks my Friend!!

02-10-2015, 01:41 PM	#36
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Doug nothing gets by you! Is that the one with a hole in the trigger?

02-10-2015, 01:51 PM	#37
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Berreta and Glock Awesome~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkS8u4QMvPA This one is for you!

02-10-2015, 03:03 PM	#38
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Quite an interesting clip, (only one remark I wonder why they were showing guns so improperly held); anyway I love the Beretta that sometimes I use at the range, but since 1990 I've already owned and widely used at least a dozen different GLOCKs, at the moment I own a G17 Gen4 and a G19 Gen4. For practical shooting instead I prefer the CZ SP01 SHADOW. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.