any information about this 1917/20 unit marked erfurt would be appreciated

[Ron Wood]

Jonah,
I am sure Bob had a reference and a valid observation that the holster is German, and I don’t think anyone here has expressed a different opinion as to its origin. My response was directed at your apparent impression that the holster was a German issue item and rejected the correct identification by Bill (wlyon) that the holster was never a German issue but likely a private purchase. Since the holster is not an issue item and is unmarked (as is almost universally true for this type of holster) the identification of it as German by the reference and Bob’s assessment is based on observation and opinion, not solid government specification and documentation.

If my interpretation of your remarks is wrong I apologize. I also appreciate your gracious apology. That reveals that you are basically an individual of good character and a welcome addition to our collective Luger insanity.

[Norme]

Hi Jonah, As you surely must know, the early 1920's were a time of great social and political turmoil in Germany. What ever marking regulations were in force at the time, "ordnung" frequently took second place to expediency. The fact that 1920 was both a date and a property mark only added to the confusion, and anomalies abound. Here's a P08 Navy (made in early 1914), that was marked 1921 by some local armorer. What was he thinking?
As to value, while a 1917/20 marked chamber is certainly rare, people who collect such oddities are rarer still, and I don't believe your gun will sell for more than any other unit marked 1917 Erfurt in similar condition. Since the gun is now listed on Gunbroker you'll know soon enough.
Regards, Norm

[jbf22]

Off topic I picked up two more P08's this weekend. Both appear to be refinished one its a "42" toggle marking with 1940 chamber date with Waffenamt on the right side of the barrel 9mm, the other is a .30luger DWM with no chamber date, early serial, the only marking I found was a triangle in a circle which seems to be a Portuguese marking. As I am still not satisfied with the original firearm I posted about I have yet to thoroughly investigate these additional 2 firearms.

[Ron Wood]

Jonah,
Is the triangle in a circle on the DWM with no chamber date on the left side of the receiver like this and does the gun have a grip safety?

[cirelaw]

A Darn Good Thread!!! Proud of all of you and all your most valuable intake! This is what its all about! Proud to be a member and friend~~~ Eric

[Balder]

Gentlemen,

I love this forum.

Respectfully,

Balder

[jbf22]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Jonah,
Is the triangle in a circle on the DWM with no chamber date on the left side of the receiver like this and does the gun have a grip safety?

Exactly like that, yes it does have a grip safety. I was told it is a 1906 by a friend, I have yet to do any checking on that.


Thank you Ron for your very prompt responses to every post.

[Ron Wood]

Jonah,
Since there is no marking on the chamber, unfortunately what you have found is a ground crest 1906 M2 Portuguese Luger. Since the crest has been ground off it has no collector value. It is only good for a shooter (or parts) and .30Luger is expensive.

[klaus 3338]

Originally Posted by wlyon

Ron Wood already answered your question. As I am sure you know the shoulder holster was never a German issue. Probably a private purchase. Hard to tell when. Nice luger. Bill

Bill you are right!
If this holster is German, you may call me Mary.
I´m German and I have had a lot of German holsters for the Luger (many more than 500) in 30 years of collecting but I have never seen one like this in Germany, NEVER.

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

I salute the restraint and patience I've seen demonstrated here. You know who you are.

I do also.

[jbf22]

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Thats where that M2 would have been?

[DavidJayUden]

Directly over the chamber, where they are commonly dated.
dju

[Ron Wood]

Jonah,
Yes, I thought you could tell that from the photo of the crest that I posted. Sorry

[DavidJayUden]

Any chance of getting a close-up of the top of your chamber? I'm assuming that a ground off crest will be pretty obvious.
dju

[Sergio Natali]

To all of you

Just one word to say thanks for all what I call first hand information one can get from this forum.

Sergio

[jbf22]

DJU,

This is a close up, it doesn't appear as though it has been ground, although I've never seen one that was ground off. I have only ever seen Arisaka rifles with the mum ground off.

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[alanint]

Yes, its been ground off, (note the lack of uniformity in the extractor scallop on the chamber). Also been highly buffed and reblued. Too bad. These guns are scarce and one in original condition would have been a nice addition to any collection.

[Ron Wood]

Doug (alanint) beat me to it, but here is a photo comparison to illustrate what he observed.

[jbf22]

Originally Posted by alanint

Yes, its been ground off, (note the lack of uniformity in the extractor scallop on the chamber). Also been highly buffed and reblued. Too bad. These guns are scarse and one in original condition would have been a nice addition to any collection.

It is unfortunate but I got it for such a reasonable price I'm not worried about it to much.

[jbf22]

You guys are really on your A game about prompt and thorough responses on here, I really appreciate it, and am glad to be able to learn so much.