Odd 1938 Mauser Luger? - Page 2

alvin · 05-05-2010, 07:22 AM

Postie -- Buy a copy of "Third Reich Lugers" from me. There are many styles of S/42. At a fraction cost of a Luger, you see hundreds of them.

Man, my books do not sell well. Listed guns are almost all gone.

Norme · 05-05-2010, 08:11 AM

Here's a photo of the toggle on my 1938 S/42. Regards

jeffs · 05-05-2010, 10:10 AM

I wonder if some of the unusual proof marks could also be CNC?

Jeff

drbuster · 05-05-2010, 10:35 AM

One must not lose sight of the fact that this luger is nickled which is like a spear in the heart and puts it squarley in the shooter category. It might be useful to explore removal of the nickle finish, which can be done.

sheepherder · 05-09-2010, 05:06 PM

Well, I figured this would go off at ~$850...I was wrong...

Current Bid $980.00 No Reserve! Started at $550.00
Quantity 1 # of bids 15 Bid History
Time left Auction has Ended

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(I got knocked out of the bidding pretty early)

c3006 · 05-09-2010, 05:38 PM

Why would anyone bother to do that and then plate it? I agree its not right but that just seems crazy. c

saab-bob · 05-09-2010, 07:34 PM

Postie
Thanks for the info
That luger is kinda scary. Since the stampings where done on a CNC machine,do you think the toggle was made on one as well? That would open up a big can of worms!!!!

Bob

sheepherder · 05-09-2010, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saab-bob

Postie
Thanks for the info
That luger is kinda scary. Since the stampings where done on a CNC machine,do you think the toggle was made on one as well? That would open up a big can of worms!!!!

Bob

Just a WAG, but there are blank Luger toggles out there (I got one from someone here), and "force matching" by CNC with a script like Norme's as a model wouldn't be all that hard...or take too long...and could be carried in & out in a pants pocket...

IOW, an easy lunchbox job...

(A Vickers Ltd toggle would be even easier)

alvin · 05-09-2010, 08:15 PM

Astonished. $980 !!

But, the only effective way to bring the market price down is to pour tons of cheaper ones into it. Sell your collection, asking $500 per piece. I bet people will all come to you. Otherwise, void.

saab-bob · 05-09-2010, 08:33 PM

Sell your collection, asking $500 per piece.

Alvin
Let me know when you decide to do that!

Bob

alvin · 05-09-2010, 09:11 PM

Bob -- Will 9x19 Luger caliber count? Or must be a toggle gun.... I do have a few modern non C&R guns to dump, fires same ammo and works much better than Luger.

sheepherder · 05-09-2010, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Bob -- Will 9x19 Luger caliber count? Or must be a toggle gun.... I do have a few modern non C&R guns to dump, fires same ammo and works much better than Luger.

I'll take a Yugoslav Type 57, if you have one...

alvin · 05-09-2010, 09:44 PM

Tokarev? I don't have Yugo Tokarev. Do have two Chinese Type 54 7,62x25 made in 1960s. Most likely being Viet-bringback, no paper though.

sheepherder · 05-10-2010, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Tokarev? I don't have Yugo Tokarev...

I like the extended grip and extra capacity mag.

alvin · 05-10-2010, 07:32 AM

I am interested in Yugo Toka as well. But it's not classified as C&R, so it's illegal in Papua New Guinea. If it's legal in NY, you should be able to get one easily. Many instances are floating on the market. Yugo guns are high quality in general.

sheepherder · 05-10-2010, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

I am interested in Yugo Toka as well. But it's not classified as C&R, so it's illegal in Papua New Guinea.

What are you doing in New Guinea???

First you're in Malta, then Massachusetts, now New Guinea???

Post some pics...I've never been there...

Find an open air market...

Norme · 05-10-2010, 05:25 PM

Relax Rich, our friend Alvin is not scouting Port Moresby for Broomhandles, he just likes the flag. Regards, Norm

alvin · 05-10-2010, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

First you're in Malta, then Massachusetts, now New Guinea???

I have never been in Malta. It's Madagascar, the biggest island in the world. And surprisingly, Guinea, New Guinea, Papua New Guinea, Equatorial Guinea are not same place. What's the meaning of "Guinea" and why it's so popular deserve some research... but that's off topic.

Back to topic. $980 was impressive. Obviously, people was very encouraged. Now, here is another one. If this is realized, I have to agree -- the market is hot. Please impress me.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=167937460

sheepherder · 05-10-2010, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Back to topic. $980 was impressive. Obviously, people was very encouraged. Now, here is another one. If this is realized, I have to agree -- the market is hot. Please impress me.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=167937460

I'll bet no bids...starting price [$2100] is too high...

I don't like this one...too polished...too bright...too decorative...the other was more industrial...

alvin · 05-11-2010, 07:32 AM

I heard that historically more than 50% commercial Lugers were sold to the United States. People here were (and are) very fancy on Lugers. That may explain even a chromed one could go almost $1k today, and better refurbished Nagant 1895 at $100 no one wants it

Volume is just one factor and people's interest is a bigger one.

05-05-2010, 08:11 AM	#22
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Here's a photo of the toggle on my 1938 S/42. Regards Attached Thumbnails

05-09-2010, 05:38 PM	#26
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Why would anyone bother to do that and then plate it? I agree its not right but that just seems crazy. c __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

05-09-2010, 07:34 PM	#27
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Postie Thanks for the info That luger is kinda scary. Since the stampings where done on a CNC machine,do you think the toggle was made on one as well? That would open up a big can of worms!!!! Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

05-09-2010, 08:33 PM	#30
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Sell your collection, asking $500 per piece. Alvin Let me know when you decide to do that! Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

05-05-2010, 07:22 AM	#21
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Postie -- Buy a copy of "Third Reich Lugers" from me. There are many styles of S/42. At a fraction cost of a Luger, you see hundreds of them. Man, my books do not sell well. Listed guns are almost all gone.

05-05-2010, 10:10 AM	#23
jeffs User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 170 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I wonder if some of the unusual proof marks could also be CNC? Jeff

05-05-2010, 10:35 AM	#24
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	One must not lose sight of the fact that this luger is nickled which is like a spear in the heart and puts it squarley in the shooter category. It might be useful to explore removal of the nickle finish, which can be done.

05-09-2010, 05:06 PM	#25
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Well, I figured this would go off at ~$850...I was wrong... Current Bid $980.00 No Reserve! Started at $550.00 Quantity 1 # of bids 15 Bid History Time left Auction has Ended ... ... (I got knocked out of the bidding pretty early)

05-09-2010, 08:15 PM	#29
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Astonished. $980 !! But, the only effective way to bring the market price down is to pour tons of cheaper ones into it. Sell your collection, asking $500 per piece. I bet people will all come to you. Otherwise, void.

05-09-2010, 09:11 PM	#31
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Bob -- Will 9x19 Luger caliber count? Or must be a toggle gun.... I do have a few modern non C&R guns to dump, fires same ammo and works much better than Luger.

05-09-2010, 09:44 PM	#33
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Tokarev? I don't have Yugo Tokarev. Do have two Chinese Type 54 7,62x25 made in 1960s. Most likely being Viet-bringback, no paper though.

05-10-2010, 07:32 AM	#35
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I am interested in Yugo Toka as well. But it's not classified as C&R, so it's illegal in Papua New Guinea. If it's legal in NY, you should be able to get one easily. Many instances are floating on the market. Yugo guns are high quality in general.

05-10-2010, 05:25 PM	#37
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Relax Rich, our friend Alvin is not scouting Port Moresby for Broomhandles, he just likes the flag. Regards, Norm

05-11-2010, 07:32 AM	#40
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I heard that historically more than 50% commercial Lugers were sold to the United States. People here were (and are) very fancy on Lugers. That may explain even a chromed one could go almost $1k today, and better refurbished Nagant 1895 at $100 no one wants it Volume is just one factor and people's interest is a bigger one.