Grandpa's gun - Page 3

willyboy · 11-24-2012, 10:21 PM

Wow, I'm overwhelmed with all of these responses! I disassembled and reassembled the gun tonight, but haven't cleaned, I ran out of time. I'll be cleaning it soon. I removed the grips and checked them. One of them is obviously wider and seemingly less worn, but it has the same serial number. I did not see a part on it that isn't matching, which surprised me. The magazine is not matching however. One problem I found, is I can't get it the toggle to snap down when the magazine is in. It will release when the mag is released, and then it will will click with the pull of the trigger as normal. Any idea why it might be doing this?

Thanks everyone.

hansfischer007 · 11-24-2012, 11:33 PM

I picked up a couple of the same style Crucifix last year......and the Skull & Crossbones at the foot of the Cross......means "victory over death".....has nothing to do with the SS.......these are fairly common......

mrerick · 11-25-2012, 09:48 AM

Double check to make sure that the small link at the rear of the receiver has properly caught the recoil spring lever (that leads down into the grip area).

Generally follow the re-assembly instructions on this site. It's easy to miss hooking the recoil link properly.

Marc

c3006 · 11-25-2012, 09:53 AM

A Dutch is still on my list,I hope your grandmother leaves it to you as so many times I see family members have no appreciation for items left to them.

mgvince · 11-25-2012, 12:33 PM

The bolt hold open, is activated by the follower of the empty magazine. Unless this pistol would not have a bolt hold open lock; it is normal for the bolt to lock open with empty mag in place.

sheepherder · 11-25-2012, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltherguy

The Skull and Crossbones is a reference to John's Gospel 18:19.

OK, this is way off-topic...But maybe one of you theological students can tell me what this particular passage has to do with the 'skull & crossbones'??? I tried looking it up in my bible...Either I have an old edition, or it is abridged...Or maybe I am just looking in the wrong place...

willyboy · 11-25-2012, 02:13 PM

Well, I believe that is the verse which explains golgotha, the hill where Jesus Christ was crucified. "Place of the Skull" or something like that. The crucifix skull thing is no issue here.

And yes, the s-hook is in place, I made sure of that when I reassembled the gun.

I am not sure if there is a hold open device that is activated when the magazine is empty.

sheepherder · 11-25-2012, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willyboy

Well, I believe that is the verse which explains golgotha, the hill where Jesus Christ was crucified...

I must have the Readers Digest version of the bible...That isn't what it says where I'm looking...

apis mellifera · 11-25-2012, 02:27 PM

That's because the actual reference in John is at 19:17.

sheepherder · 11-25-2012, 02:45 PM

Thanks!

Someday I'll have to actually read this...

willyboy · 12-12-2012, 12:40 AM

I know this gun is definitely NOT a shooter, but if we don't plan on ever selling it, would it really hurt that much to shoot a few magazines every once in a while?

alanint · 12-12-2012, 05:30 AM

Totally up to the owner. As long as they understand that breaking a part will significantly lower the value and rob a future generation of one more complete, matching historical pistol.

Jack Lawman · 12-12-2012, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willyboy

I know this gun is definitely NOT a shooter, but if we don't plan on ever selling it, would it really hurt that much to shoot a few magazines every once in a while?

In recent internet research on a luger, I came across an interesting quote from someone's father, "It aint worth anything unless you sell it."

I thought it an interesting perspective. It made me think. At the end of the day, whatever you own when you die is worthless (to you, anyway).

Jack

willyboy · 12-13-2012, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willyboy

Wow, I'm overwhelmed with all of these responses! I disassembled and reassembled the gun tonight, but haven't cleaned, I ran out of time. I'll be cleaning it soon. I removed the grips and checked them. One of them is obviously wider and seemingly less worn, but it has the same serial number. I did not see a part on it that isn't matching, which surprised me. The magazine is not matching however. One problem I found, is I can't get it the toggle to snap down when the magazine is in. It will release when the mag is released, and then it will will click with the pull of the trigger as normal. Any idea why it might be doing this?

Thanks everyone.

Well, I feel dumb. I couldn't get the toggle to **** when the mag is in, and I realized I was pressing down on the grip safety which kept me from being able to **** the gun. Pulling the toggle back feels pretty stiff and I was wondering if leaving the toggle locked back for a while would help loosen the spring.

Also, if you look really closely at the pictures I posted at the start of this thread, there's a small space just a millimeter or so wide between the toggle mechanism and where the barrel begins. I can clearly see into the chamber area through the space. Any idea what is causing this?

willyboy · 12-15-2012, 11:48 PM

Can anyone help me with this?

mrerick · 12-15-2012, 11:51 PM

I think you're describing the gap between the front of the breech block (where the extractor is located) and the rear of the chamber.

A very small gap may be normal. You may also have a problem with dirt under the extractor. Too large a gap may cause a headspace problem which can become rather dangerous. The rear of the cartridge base needs to be supported by the face of the breech block when the Luger is in battery.

Marc

willyboy · 12-16-2012, 01:04 PM

I have cleaned it thoroughly and don't think that dirt is an issue. Is there a possible mechanical/structural issue here?

DavidJayUden · 12-16-2012, 01:59 PM

My guess would be a re-assembly issue. Like the computer geeks refer to as an "I. D. ten T" error. Can you send us a few more photos of the problem areas and members can help out. Maybe the spring hooks are not getting picked up during reassembly?
dju

willyboy · 12-16-2012, 05:34 PM

I'll be sure to get a few new photos.

DavidJayUden · 12-16-2012, 08:31 PM

Also, when the gun is disassembled and the chamber is confirmed to be EMPTY, does the toggle close all the way? If you focus close enough you should be able to feel, hear or see what points are making contact and stopping forward travel. And by "disassembled" I mean with the upper slid off the lower.
dju

11-24-2012, 11:33 PM	#42
hansfischer007 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sunny Tennessee Posts: 233 Thanks: 509 Thanked 96 Times in 48 Posts	SS Crucifix.? I picked up a couple of the same style Crucifix last year......and the Skull & Crossbones at the foot of the Cross......means "victory over death".....has nothing to do with the SS.......these are fairly common......

11-25-2012, 09:48 AM	#43
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Double check to make sure that the small link at the rear of the receiver has properly caught the recoil spring lever (that leads down into the grip area). Generally follow the re-assembly instructions on this site. It's easy to miss hooking the recoil link properly. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-25-2012, 09:53 AM	#44
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	A Dutch is still on my list,I hope your grandmother leaves it to you as so many times I see family members have no appreciation for items left to them. __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

11-25-2012, 02:45 PM	#50
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Thanks! Someday I'll have to actually read this... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

12-15-2012, 11:51 PM	#56
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	I think you're describing the gap between the front of the breech block (where the extractor is located) and the rear of the chamber. A very small gap may be normal. You may also have a problem with dirt under the extractor. Too large a gap may cause a headspace problem which can become rather dangerous. The rear of the cartridge base needs to be supported by the face of the breech block when the Luger is in battery. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-24-2012, 10:21 PM	#41
willyboy User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow, I'm overwhelmed with all of these responses! I disassembled and reassembled the gun tonight, but haven't cleaned, I ran out of time. I'll be cleaning it soon. I removed the grips and checked them. One of them is obviously wider and seemingly less worn, but it has the same serial number. I did not see a part on it that isn't matching, which surprised me. The magazine is not matching however. One problem I found, is I can't get it the toggle to snap down when the magazine is in. It will release when the mag is released, and then it will will click with the pull of the trigger as normal. Any idea why it might be doing this? Thanks everyone.

11-25-2012, 12:33 PM	#45
mgvince Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The bolt hold open, is activated by the follower of the empty magazine. Unless this pistol would not have a bolt hold open lock; it is normal for the bolt to lock open with empty mag in place.

11-25-2012, 02:13 PM	#47
willyboy User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, I believe that is the verse which explains golgotha, the hill where Jesus Christ was crucified. "Place of the Skull" or something like that. The crucifix skull thing is no issue here. And yes, the s-hook is in place, I made sure of that when I reassembled the gun. I am not sure if there is a hold open device that is activated when the magazine is empty.

11-25-2012, 02:27 PM	#49
apis mellifera User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: WV Posts: 149 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 8 Posts	That's because the actual reference in John is at 19:17.

12-12-2012, 12:40 AM	#51
willyboy User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I know this gun is definitely NOT a shooter, but if we don't plan on ever selling it, would it really hurt that much to shoot a few magazines every once in a while?

12-12-2012, 05:30 AM	#52
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Totally up to the owner. As long as they understand that breaking a part will significantly lower the value and rob a future generation of one more complete, matching historical pistol.

12-15-2012, 11:48 PM	#55
willyboy User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can anyone help me with this?

12-16-2012, 01:04 PM	#57
willyboy User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have cleaned it thoroughly and don't think that dirt is an issue. Is there a possible mechanical/structural issue here?

12-16-2012, 01:59 PM	#58
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	My guess would be a re-assembly issue. Like the computer geeks refer to as an "I. D. ten T" error. Can you send us a few more photos of the problem areas and members can help out. Maybe the spring hooks are not getting picked up during reassembly? dju

12-16-2012, 05:34 PM	#59
willyboy User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'll be sure to get a few new photos.

12-16-2012, 08:31 PM	#60
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Also, when the gun is disassembled and the chamber is confirmed to be EMPTY, does the toggle close all the way? If you focus close enough you should be able to feel, hear or see what points are making contact and stopping forward travel. And by "disassembled" I mean with the upper slid off the lower. dju