Bought a near mint 70s era Interarms Luger P08 as a shooter. Would like to adjust the

Lemmy777 · 03-20-2024, 05:19 PM

Hey everyone, I just bought a 70s era Interarms P08 with 6” barrel from Simpson Ltd last week. I’m new to guns as a whole and bought it specifically to shoot. I’ve noticed that in order for me to hit my targets accurately, I need to aim up and to the right of my target. it’s my understanding that the rear sight is fixed, but would I or perhaps an experienced gunsmith be able to adjust the front sight to correct it? do I need one of those expensive original adjustment tools? Since it is a post war model, I don’t mind doing anything that could lessen its value as long as it increases performance. I’m already saving up for another to keep untouched. Very cool guns and I’m excited to learn more. I took a brief look through the search bar about my question and was a bit confused as to the right way to go about this. I apologize if I’m in the wrong thread or breaking any forum rules. Thanks!

ithacaartist · 03-20-2024, 09:20 PM

Welcome to the forum, Caleb.

This nice pistol is chambered for .30 Luger, right? The caliber is fun to shoot, although it will be relatively expensive to feed this thing. If you like this gun, you might consider reloading for it.

The 70s Mauser Parabellums are collectible in their own right/niche, and have plenty of value--which seems to have increased as of late. Your rig/box is complete, which is a plus in that realm.

You mentioned being new to guns... If you're right-handed and grouping to the lower left, that's the classic manifestation of "the flinch." One's involuntary anticipation of the recoil causes it. Your grip of the gun and how you press the trigger are also very important. Fortunately, a shooter can learn to address these issues, so taking a course of instruction may be in order. Then practice, practice, practice!

p.s. I think this should have been posted in New Collectors Forum, or maybe Post-War Lugers, but perhaps a moderator will move it there for you.

gunbugs · 03-20-2024, 10:10 PM

Low left for a right handed shooter is typically gripping the gun too tight. And /or flinching into the gun and anticipating recoil. No need for a "death grip". Grip the pistol like you would hold a live bird in your hand without crushing it, but so it won't escape your grasp. Make sure you are not moving your other fingers as the gun goes off, only your trigger finger moving straight back on the trigger. A tight grip will shoot low, a loose grip will shoot high. Don't screw with the sights. The gun is zeroed as is.

Vlim · 03-21-2024, 04:52 AM

I would not recommend using it as a shooter.
These are collectable and have increased in value.

If you do decide to devalue it by shooting, do not use the magazines it came with. The bottoms will break.

Kiwi · 03-21-2024, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

This nice pistol is chambered for .30 Luger, right? The caliber is fun to shoot, although it will be relatively expensive to feed this thing. If you like this gun, you might consider reloading for it.

It could be chambered in either .30 Luger, or 9mm Parabellum

The serial number will tell you which

The model in .30 Luger is numbered 10.001001
and 11.001001 for the 9mm.

As others have said - do not mess with the sights

Vlim · 03-21-2024, 08:05 AM

The front sight can be adjusted with a special adjusting tool.
The Swiss tools will work on the standard .30 luger sight.

A P08 adjusting tool will work on the 9mm.

Lemmy777 · 03-21-2024, 10:02 AM

Thanks everyone! I’m thinking about buying a cheap beater pistol to learn and practice on now. Eventually I’d like to purchase another Luger to keep in pristine condition, these are beautiful pieces of machinery. I’ve already purchased a mec gar magazine to use with it, as well as a mat and necessary cleaning supplies. I’ve gotten quite good at stripping it down and putting it back together too. I intend to get a lot of love out of this gun but will keep it well maintained. Mine is chambered in 9mm. I’ve already put 300+ rounds through it and it’s a joy to shoot. I’m sorry if I’m irking any collectors by shooting it, but at least it’s getting love!! Thanks again for all the info guys!

Vlim · 03-21-2024, 11:16 AM

The Paul Mauser archive can certify your luger btw.

Yakman · 03-21-2024, 11:48 AM

In effect you have done a service. You reduced a collector grade Luger to shooter status at your expense thereby benefiting financially the next in line for this pistol. By reducing the gun's collectability, you have increased the collectability of the remaining pieces and therefore their value.

One thing about it, you have provided the provenance for this Luger's decline.

Jack

hayhugh · 03-21-2024, 12:53 PM

What did he say????????????

Vlim · 03-21-2024, 02:13 PM

Well, to be honest: buying a relatively rare new in box European market Mauser Parabellum to use as a shooter is not the most brilliant idea.

But it is the OP's gun and his choice.

rhuff · 03-21-2024, 03:30 PM

Caleb,

I also own a Luger exactly like the one that you recently purchased. I purchased mine years ago, and agree that they are beautiful weapons. I also shoot mine, and reload for it. As others have said above, the Luger is just fine, it is the inexperienced shooter that is placing the bullets low and left. That can be corrected.....don't alter the gun. Enjoy and have fun with your new Luger!!

Lemmy777 · 03-21-2024, 04:08 PM

Vlim, I appreciate the honesty! I went for an Interarms Luger because I wouldn’t feel comfortable shooting a wartime gun despite them being lower in price. I was under the assumption that these post war models weren’t all that valuable, and the collectible ones were just the war time models. Oh well, at the end of the day at least I’m enjoying it! Glad to hear you’re enjoying yours too rhuff!

gunbugs · 03-21-2024, 06:25 PM

Lugers, and all other firearms, were made to be used. That's why they have a hole in the end of the barrel. It's where the bullet comes out. If people buy guns just to look at, that is their business. However, I find that to be a fruitless endeavor. I'm not concerned with how much a new in the box gun is worth, as we all value things differently. If I make money, Ok. If I lose money, OK. If I'm not going to take it to the range and enjoy it, what's the point? Who am I preserving it for?

Vlim · 03-21-2024, 06:34 PM

That method of reasoning is a little bit on the simple side.

There is a not unimportant matter of the preservation of history, the protection against wear and tear in order to not only preserve the item, it's context and it's current and future value.

HerrKaiser · 03-21-2024, 07:24 PM

Vlim, I agree with and understand what you’re saying in a meta sense but also fundamentally with gunbugs. In pursuing my history Master’s, I of course had to spend time and take classes about museum work and material history. One of the recurring themes was that machinery with interacting parts need to be run in order to be properly maintained or else they will fall to neglect. No one says that someone is ruining a collectible car by making sure the engine does in fact run or if they take it around the block every now and again. I fail to see how guns do not fit this mold.

Vlim · 03-21-2024, 07:31 PM

Having been in the classic car world, the gun collecting world and the world of historical research, I tend to disagree with your assumptions.

A gun can survive not shooting for decades, even centuries. Cars depend on a form of internal lubrication that is far more complicated and demanding than any gun requires.

Besides, even certain cars can survive decades of immobility when properly cared for.

And these Mauser Parabellums prove my point. Many have been stored in their original boxes for 50+ years now and they are still in immaculate condition. Guns do not require shooting as a preserveration measure.

HerrKaiser · 03-22-2024, 09:05 AM

While true, we also find old cars and planes from WW2 that are still boxes that were buried in a warehouse and get them running, and many are fairly well preserved as found.

Anecdotally I have seen many collectors who do shoot their pieces on occasion and so long as they properly clean and maintain the guns, they have had little issue with depreciation and by all accounts they are extremely well preserved items.

Vlim · 03-22-2024, 10:25 AM

Those 'boxed up' finds always need extensive restoration work.

Occasionally shooting an already used gun will still cause wear and possible parts failure.

Occasionally shooting a formerly new in box gun causes wear that cannot be undone and takes away the NIB bit, creating a used in box gun instead. Which causes a steeper devaluation than shooting an already used gun.

So when looking from a preserveration and investment angle, you always end up hurting the value. Fact, not opinion.

Patrick Sweeney · 03-22-2024, 12:26 PM

Shooting a NIB firearm is like the first drive off of the dealer's lot with a new car. You have depreciated it in the biggest amount, on the first step.

That said, it's a free country, and if someone wants to plunk down their hard-earned cash to do exactly that, OK.

We can shed a tear over the wear, and risk of damage, but we all get to make choices.

03-20-2024, 05:19 PM	#1
Lemmy777 New User Join Date: Mar 2024 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Bought a near mint 70s era Interarms Luger P08 as a shooter. Would like to adjust the Hey everyone, I just bought a 70s era Interarms P08 with 6” barrel from Simpson Ltd last week. I’m new to guns as a whole and bought it specifically to shoot. I’ve noticed that in order for me to hit my targets accurately, I need to aim up and to the right of my target. it’s my understanding that the rear sight is fixed, but would I or perhaps an experienced gunsmith be able to adjust the front sight to correct it? do I need one of those expensive original adjustment tools? Since it is a post war model, I don’t mind doing anything that could lessen its value as long as it increases performance. I’m already saving up for another to keep untouched. Very cool guns and I’m excited to learn more. I took a brief look through the search bar about my question and was a bit confused as to the right way to go about this. I apologize if I’m in the wrong thread or breaking any forum rules. Thanks! Attached Thumbnails

03-20-2024, 09:20 PM	#2
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,339 Thanks: 7,261 Thanked 2,564 Times in 1,362 Posts	Welcome to the forum, Caleb. This nice pistol is chambered for .30 Luger, right? The caliber is fun to shoot, although it will be relatively expensive to feed this thing. If you like this gun, you might consider reloading for it. The 70s Mauser Parabellums are collectible in their own right/niche, and have plenty of value--which seems to have increased as of late. Your rig/box is complete, which is a plus in that realm. You mentioned being new to guns... If you're right-handed and grouping to the lower left, that's the classic manifestation of "the flinch." One's involuntary anticipation of the recoil causes it. Your grip of the gun and how you press the trigger are also very important. Fortunately, a shooter can learn to address these issues, so taking a course of instruction may be in order. Then practice, practice, practice! p.s. I think this should have been posted in New Collectors Forum, or maybe Post-War Lugers, but perhaps a moderator will move it there for you. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

03-21-2024, 03:30 PM	#12
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,289 Thanks: 2,707 Thanked 971 Times in 716 Posts	Caleb, I also own a Luger exactly like the one that you recently purchased. I purchased mine years ago, and agree that they are beautiful weapons. I also shoot mine, and reload for it. As others have said above, the Luger is just fine, it is the inexperienced shooter that is placing the bullets low and left. That can be corrected.....don't alter the gun. Enjoy and have fun with your new Luger!! __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

03-21-2024, 07:24 PM	#16
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 845 Thanks: 782 Thanked 860 Times in 410 Posts	Vlim, I agree with and understand what you’re saying in a meta sense but also fundamentally with gunbugs. In pursuing my history Master’s, I of course had to spend time and take classes about museum work and material history. One of the recurring themes was that machinery with interacting parts need to be run in order to be properly maintained or else they will fall to neglect. No one says that someone is ruining a collectible car by making sure the engine does in fact run or if they take it around the block every now and again. I fail to see how guns do not fit this mold. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

03-22-2024, 09:05 AM	#18
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 845 Thanks: 782 Thanked 860 Times in 410 Posts	While true, we also find old cars and planes from WW2 that are still boxes that were buried in a warehouse and get them running, and many are fairly well preserved as found. Anecdotally I have seen many collectors who do shoot their pieces on occasion and so long as they properly clean and maintain the guns, they have had little issue with depreciation and by all accounts they are extremely well preserved items. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

03-20-2024, 10:10 PM	#3
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 657 Thanks: 361 Thanked 1,175 Times in 393 Posts	Low left for a right handed shooter is typically gripping the gun too tight. And /or flinching into the gun and anticipating recoil. No need for a "death grip". Grip the pistol like you would hold a live bird in your hand without crushing it, but so it won't escape your grasp. Make sure you are not moving your other fingers as the gun goes off, only your trigger finger moving straight back on the trigger. A tight grip will shoot low, a loose grip will shoot high. Don't screw with the sights. The gun is zeroed as is.

03-21-2024, 04:52 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	I would not recommend using it as a shooter. These are collectable and have increased in value. If you do decide to devalue it by shooting, do not use the magazines it came with. The bottoms will break.

03-21-2024, 08:05 AM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	The front sight can be adjusted with a special adjusting tool. The Swiss tools will work on the standard .30 luger sight. A P08 adjusting tool will work on the 9mm.

03-21-2024, 10:02 AM	#7
Lemmy777 New User Join Date: Mar 2024 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks everyone! I’m thinking about buying a cheap beater pistol to learn and practice on now. Eventually I’d like to purchase another Luger to keep in pristine condition, these are beautiful pieces of machinery. I’ve already purchased a mec gar magazine to use with it, as well as a mat and necessary cleaning supplies. I’ve gotten quite good at stripping it down and putting it back together too. I intend to get a lot of love out of this gun but will keep it well maintained. Mine is chambered in 9mm. I’ve already put 300+ rounds through it and it’s a joy to shoot. I’m sorry if I’m irking any collectors by shooting it, but at least it’s getting love!! Thanks again for all the info guys!

03-21-2024, 11:16 AM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	The Paul Mauser archive can certify your luger btw.

03-21-2024, 11:48 AM	#9
Yakman User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Indiana Posts: 119 Thanks: 881 Thanked 81 Times in 40 Posts	In effect you have done a service. You reduced a collector grade Luger to shooter status at your expense thereby benefiting financially the next in line for this pistol. By reducing the gun's collectability, you have increased the collectability of the remaining pieces and therefore their value. One thing about it, you have provided the provenance for this Luger's decline. Jack

03-21-2024, 12:53 PM	#10
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 894 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	What did he say????????????

03-21-2024, 02:13 PM	#11
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Well, to be honest: buying a relatively rare new in box European market Mauser Parabellum to use as a shooter is not the most brilliant idea. But it is the OP's gun and his choice.

03-21-2024, 04:08 PM	#13
Lemmy777 New User Join Date: Mar 2024 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Vlim, I appreciate the honesty! I went for an Interarms Luger because I wouldn’t feel comfortable shooting a wartime gun despite them being lower in price. I was under the assumption that these post war models weren’t all that valuable, and the collectible ones were just the war time models. Oh well, at the end of the day at least I’m enjoying it! Glad to hear you’re enjoying yours too rhuff!

03-21-2024, 06:25 PM	#14
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 657 Thanks: 361 Thanked 1,175 Times in 393 Posts	Lugers, and all other firearms, were made to be used. That's why they have a hole in the end of the barrel. It's where the bullet comes out. If people buy guns just to look at, that is their business. However, I find that to be a fruitless endeavor. I'm not concerned with how much a new in the box gun is worth, as we all value things differently. If I make money, Ok. If I lose money, OK. If I'm not going to take it to the range and enjoy it, what's the point? Who am I preserving it for?

03-21-2024, 06:34 PM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	That method of reasoning is a little bit on the simple side. There is a not unimportant matter of the preservation of history, the protection against wear and tear in order to not only preserve the item, it's context and it's current and future value.

03-21-2024, 07:31 PM	#17
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Having been in the classic car world, the gun collecting world and the world of historical research, I tend to disagree with your assumptions. A gun can survive not shooting for decades, even centuries. Cars depend on a form of internal lubrication that is far more complicated and demanding than any gun requires. Besides, even certain cars can survive decades of immobility when properly cared for. And these Mauser Parabellums prove my point. Many have been stored in their original boxes for 50+ years now and they are still in immaculate condition. Guns do not require shooting as a preserveration measure.

03-22-2024, 10:25 AM	#19
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Those 'boxed up' finds always need extensive restoration work. Occasionally shooting an already used gun will still cause wear and possible parts failure. Occasionally shooting a formerly new in box gun causes wear that cannot be undone and takes away the NIB bit, creating a used in box gun instead. Which causes a steeper devaluation than shooting an already used gun. So when looking from a preserveration and investment angle, you always end up hurting the value. Fact, not opinion.

03-22-2024, 12:26 PM	#20
Patrick Sweeney User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 50 Times in 25 Posts	Shooting a NIB firearm is like the first drive off of the dealer's lot with a new car. You have depreciated it in the biggest amount, on the first step. That said, it's a free country, and if someone wants to plunk down their hard-earned cash to do exactly that, OK. We can shed a tear over the wear, and risk of damage, but we all get to make choices.