K98 22lr

Rick W. · 05-15-2005, 11:00 AM

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Vlim · 05-15-2005, 12:43 PM

Hi Rick,

These were used as training rifles, and to learn the HJ-boys to operate a K98, so they would be used to the rifle when they were ready to serve as cannon fodder.

George Anderson · 05-15-2005, 01:07 PM

Depending on maker and condition they are worth about a grand. I sold one last summer that was in 98% condition with sling, manufactured by Gustloff (formerly Simson). I got $1200 from a dealer for it.

Vlim · 05-15-2005, 03:13 PM

Hi,

Gustloff points to 'Wilhelm Gustloff'. Leader of the Swiss nazi-party who was assasinated in the mid 30's by a Jewish student. An organization inherited his name and the famous holiday ship, later hospital ship 'Wilhem Gustloff' was named after him.

Several (Jewish) companies were taken over by the German government in the late 1930's and were placed under control of the "Wilhelm Gustloff Stiftung" (foundation), including Simson.

"In this connection, a few words may be added about a typical Party enterprise, Gustloff Foundation, which was founded on 'aryanised' property, the Suhl gun factory in Thuringia, in honour of Wilhelm Gustloff, a Nazi agent in Switzerland, who was shot in 1934, and which soon turned into a not unimportant machine-tool and armament combine, consisting of six companies, among them the famous Austrian Hirtenberg munitions factory. This combine is run solely by the Party, that is, by the Thuringen gauleiter SauckelÃ¢?Â¦Nothing is known of the finances of the Foundation since, like the Hermann GÃ?Â¶ring Werke, it does not publish balance sheets or profit and loss accounts." --Ted Grant, 1948.

G.W. Gill · 05-15-2005, 11:14 PM

I once owned a Anschutz in 22 that was almost identical to a k98. It had a cleaning rod. The whole thing was scaled down smaller.

Ron Wood · 05-15-2005, 11:43 PM

When Simson & Co. was Ã¢??nationalizedÃ¢?Â by the Nazis, it was renamed Berlin-Suhler-Waffen. After Gustloff was assassinated in 1936, the name was changed to Gustloff-Werke in 1939 to honor him. Gustloff-Werke made a relatively rare auto pistol. There is a great writeup on Bob AdamÃ¢??s website in the Ã¢??Collectors Gallery (Rare & Unusual Guns)Ã¢?Â sectionÃ¢?Â¦well worth reading.

JuergenG · 05-16-2005, 05:55 AM

The Gustloff "KK Wehrsportgewehr" a.k.a. KKW had a cleaning rod, but thinner in dia. or different in thread than the standard K98k's.
To follow up on the Simson/BSW/Gustloff history, it became "VEB Ernst ThÃ?Â¤lmann Werke" in the GDR.

George Anderson · 05-16-2005, 10:06 AM

Rick, I have a photo of an SA cartouched Gustloff that belongs to a friend. Ed usually helps with my photos so I will email it to him. Also a note, the are not 98Ks but KKWs, Klein Kaliber Wehrsportgewehren.

ToggleTop · 05-16-2005, 08:22 PM

Hallo,

Try this link.

http://www.gunboards.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=45

This board has a lot of information on the DSM 34's and the KKW's. I love these rifles. They are extremely well made and very accurate. They are inexpensive to shoot and don't make much noise.

Regards,

JuergenG · 05-18-2005, 05:05 AM

Lots of detailed pics here http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/RiflesMauser.html
The price on this one is out of the roof!

JuergenG · 05-18-2005, 02:33 PM

Full ack.
I have only now looked at the prices for the other ones - simply crazy.
I bought a 1908 DWM Brasil Mauser, 7x57, complete with matching bayo & sheath, sling, muzzle protector and the original proof firing target dtd. April 12, 1912 at EUR 700 just a year ago.
Top notch piece, never issued.

Isreali commemorative ?
Pure BS!

Doug G. · 05-19-2005, 09:10 PM

Here is a pic of a SA stamping from my Walther KKW.

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,017 Thanks: 1,089 Thanked 5,164 Times in 1,700 Posts	When Simson & Co. was Ã¢??nationalizedÃ¢?Â by the Nazis, it was renamed Berlin-Suhler-Waffen. After Gustloff was assassinated in 1936, the name was changed to Gustloff-Werke in 1939 to honor him. Gustloff-Werke made a relatively rare auto pistol. There is a great writeup on Bob AdamÃ¢??s website in the Ã¢??Collectors Gallery (Rare & Unusual Guns)Ã¢?Â sectionÃ¢?Â¦well worth reading. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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ToggleTop User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TN Posts: 297 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hallo, Try this link. http://www.gunboards.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=45 This board has a lot of information on the DSM 34's and the KKW's. I love these rifles. They are extremely well made and very accurate. They are inexpensive to shoot and don't make much noise. Regards, __________________ *********************** ToggleTop************* JustHappenToLoveLugers *************************

05-15-2005, 12:43 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi Rick, These were used as training rifles, and to learn the HJ-boys to operate a K98, so they would be used to the rifle when they were ready to serve as cannon fodder.

05-15-2005, 01:07 PM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Depending on maker and condition they are worth about a grand. I sold one last summer that was in 98% condition with sling, manufactured by Gustloff (formerly Simson). I got $1200 from a dealer for it.

05-15-2005, 03:13 PM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Gustloff points to 'Wilhelm Gustloff'. Leader of the Swiss nazi-party who was assasinated in the mid 30's by a Jewish student. An organization inherited his name and the famous holiday ship, later hospital ship 'Wilhem Gustloff' was named after him. Several (Jewish) companies were taken over by the German government in the late 1930's and were placed under control of the "Wilhelm Gustloff Stiftung" (foundation), including Simson. "In this connection, a few words may be added about a typical Party enterprise, Gustloff Foundation, which was founded on 'aryanised' property, the Suhl gun factory in Thuringia, in honour of Wilhelm Gustloff, a Nazi agent in Switzerland, who was shot in 1934, and which soon turned into a not unimportant machine-tool and armament combine, consisting of six companies, among them the famous Austrian Hirtenberg munitions factory. This combine is run solely by the Party, that is, by the Thuringen gauleiter SauckelÃ¢?Â¦Nothing is known of the finances of the Foundation since, like the Hermann GÃ?Â¶ring Werke, it does not publish balance sheets or profit and loss accounts." --Ted Grant, 1948.

05-15-2005, 11:14 PM	#5
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I once owned a Anschutz in 22 that was almost identical to a k98. It had a cleaning rod. The whole thing was scaled down smaller.

05-16-2005, 05:55 AM	#7
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 155 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The Gustloff "KK Wehrsportgewehr" a.k.a. KKW had a cleaning rod, but thinner in dia. or different in thread than the standard K98k's. To follow up on the Simson/BSW/Gustloff history, it became "VEB Ernst ThÃ?Â¤lmann Werke" in the GDR.

05-16-2005, 10:06 AM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Rick, I have a photo of an SA cartouched Gustloff that belongs to a friend. Ed usually helps with my photos so I will email it to him. Also a note, the are not 98Ks but KKWs, Klein Kaliber Wehrsportgewehren.

05-18-2005, 05:05 AM	#10
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 155 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Lots of detailed pics here http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/RiflesMauser.html The price on this one is out of the roof!

05-18-2005, 02:33 PM	#11
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 155 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Full ack. I have only now looked at the prices for the other ones - simply crazy. I bought a 1908 DWM Brasil Mauser, 7x57, complete with matching bayo & sheath, sling, muzzle protector and the original proof firing target dtd. April 12, 1912 at EUR 700 just a year ago. Top notch piece, never issued. Isreali commemorative ? Pure BS!

05-19-2005, 09:10 PM	#12
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Here is a pic of a SA stamping from my Walther KKW.