What should I offer for S/42 1939 luger (UPDATED)

MilitaryTorch · 10-11-2011, 04:58 PM

I have a chance to buy a matching S/42 1939 luger in 90% condition and the 2 problems are:

after marked grips
mismatched mag

I am wondering what would be a fair offer.

If I were to get this gun do you think I should try to find the original grips for it? (They were probably numbered and will be mismatched anyway)

Thanks
Steve

FNorm · 10-11-2011, 06:12 PM

Take a look here. Now these folks are considered high. Like usually 15-20% Some will say even more.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...f099828605639d

MilitaryTorch · 10-11-2011, 06:45 PM

Thanks but those prices seem way too high.

Maybe another way of putting my original question.

Having mismatched mag and repro grips does that make that pistol a shooter grade?

Mike Z · 10-11-2011, 07:19 PM

Steve, To Me Personally A mis match mag no way makes a shooter. Aftermarket grips really hurt it.
Mike Z.

MilitaryTorch · 10-11-2011, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Z

Steve, To Me Personally A mis match mag no way makes a shooter. Aftermarket grips really hurt it.
Mike Z.

Mike the seller has another 1940 S/42 luger that is all matching in 90% condition with a mismatched mag.

For the argument sake if all matching value was $2000 how much would you discount the mismatched mag?

Thanks a lot

mrerick · 10-11-2011, 07:50 PM

I am not sure since I don't have my reference books with me, but didn't the change from "S/42" to "42" concealment code take place in 1939 (April)?

If that is true, either the toggle is mismatched, or it's something rather rare...

If it's a mismatch, I'd be careful with this dealer since it may have been mis-represented.

His price for a 90% Luger seems quite high to me. If it's all correct, and not rather rare it should be in the $1500-$1600 range at most.

Marc

Edward Tinker · 10-11-2011, 07:57 PM

mismatched mag is actually the norm, so that would not affect value?

Repro grips can be changed to original (blank, eagle 655, etc) and would be a lot easier than mismatched other parts?

hgreer2 · 10-11-2011, 08:31 PM

Offer what you are comfortable with, ask 50 people and you will get 50 different opinions.

Harry

Mike Z · 10-11-2011, 08:41 PM

mreric is on it. For $2000.00 you surely could find a really nice P.08 I Mean Really Nice. I would stay away from a S/42 1940 because a 1940 should be a 42 code. If you want a matched mag the price is always alot more but it's unusual to find a matched mag P.08. Check your proofs and suffix. You can't deduct for a matched mag you add.
Keep an eye on the WTS on the forum I have had nothing but great dealings when I'm looking to add to my collection.
Mike Z.

MilitaryTorch · 10-11-2011, 10:50 PM

I just spoke to the seller and he is asking $900 for it.
How much are the blank, eagle 655 girps?
Is it a difficult proposition?

Steve

Vlim · 10-12-2011, 04:40 AM

Does it have these grips by any chance?

If so, there is a good chance that you are looking at an East-German 'VoPo' P08.
These were rebuilt / renovated in the 1950s for use by the East-German police and military.

wlyon · 10-12-2011, 10:50 AM

1939 mausers were issued with both S/42 and 42 codes. S/42 are harder to find due to less numbers made. If this is an original finish all matching except grips and mag $ 900 is a good price. Bill

MilitaryTorch · 10-12-2011, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

Does it have these grips by any chance?

If so, there is a good chance that you are looking at an East-German 'VoPo' P08.
These were rebuilt / renovated in the 1950s for use by the East-German police and military.

No these are no the types of grips that it has.
The ones he had were the yellow type grips that I saw a picture of here on this forum but I can't seem to find them anymore.
After that he bought a repro grips.
I will be looking at the gun in 10 days or so....

Steve

lugerholsterrepair · 10-12-2011, 01:07 PM

Steve..Better start finding out all you can in these ten days you have. $900 is a good price for the right pistol but a bad price for one that's not right.

Go to you tube and study how to take a luger apart. That's a good start towards looking at one.

MilitaryTorch · 10-12-2011, 01:10 PM

Very good advice, I will definitely do as much homework as I can.
I was thinking of offering about $700 just to be closer to a safer side.

How difficult is it to find original unmarked grips? how much do they go for?

Thank you very much

lugerholsterrepair · 10-12-2011, 06:21 PM

How difficult is it to find original unmarked grips? how much do they go for?

Not too bad..they pop up pretty often. I would say $75-100 for a good pair.

MilitaryTorch · 10-24-2011, 01:28 AM

I ended up buying 1939 S/42 Luger so I am going to upload few pictures.
I now need to find grips and actually find out what they should be marked as? Eagle 63?
What do you think the grips need to be marked as?

Also I have to say that I am not too bright when it comes to figuring out what a sear safety is.

If you have grips for sale that I am looking for please let me know.

Thank you,
Steve

PS Bore is shiny and all numbers match inside. I also need to figure out which tool is correct for the gun. Droop Eagle 63? or maybe S/42 marked one?

Norme · 10-24-2011, 08:31 AM

Hi Steve, If you bought this gun for $900.00 you did very well indeed. The finish looks original and 1939 S/42s are one of the harder variations to find. Since finding correctly numbered grips is next to impossible, try to find armorer's replacements, which would be stamped SE/63, 42 or both. The correct tool would also be marked SE/63. Regards, Norm

DavidJayUden · 10-24-2011, 08:40 AM

Looks like a good one (once you loose the hideous grips...).
Congrat's!
dju

Mike Z · 10-24-2011, 08:43 AM

I agree for $900 all matching internal you did great.
Mike Z.

10-11-2011, 04:58 PM	#1
MilitaryTorch User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	What should I offer for S/42 1939 luger (UPDATED) I have a chance to buy a matching S/42 1939 luger in 90% condition and the 2 problems are: after marked grips mismatched mag I am wondering what would be a fair offer. If I were to get this gun do you think I should try to find the original grips for it? (They were probably numbered and will be mismatched anyway) Thanks Steve Last edited by MilitaryTorch; 10-24-2011 at 01:22 AM.

10-11-2011, 07:50 PM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	I am not sure since I don't have my reference books with me, but didn't the change from "S/42" to "42" concealment code take place in 1939 (April)? If that is true, either the toggle is mismatched, or it's something rather rare... If it's a mismatch, I'd be careful with this dealer since it may have been mis-represented. His price for a 90% Luger seems quite high to me. If it's all correct, and not rather rare it should be in the $1500-$1600 range at most. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-11-2011, 07:57 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	mismatched mag is actually the norm, so that would not affect value? Repro grips can be changed to original (blank, eagle 655, etc) and would be a lot easier than mismatched other parts? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-12-2011, 04:40 AM	#11
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Does it have these grips by any chance? If so, there is a good chance that you are looking at an East-German 'VoPo' P08. These were rebuilt / renovated in the 1950s for use by the East-German police and military. Attached Thumbnails

10-12-2011, 10:50 AM	#12
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,625 Thanks: 3,165 Thanked 2,544 Times in 949 Posts	1939 mausers were issued with both S/42 and 42 codes. S/42 are harder to find due to less numbers made. If this is an original finish all matching except grips and mag $ 900 is a good price. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

10-11-2011, 06:12 PM	#2
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Take a look here. Now these folks are considered high. Like usually 15-20% Some will say even more. http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...f099828605639d

10-11-2011, 06:45 PM	#3
MilitaryTorch User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks but those prices seem way too high. Maybe another way of putting my original question. Having mismatched mag and repro grips does that make that pistol a shooter grade?

10-11-2011, 07:19 PM	#4
Mike Z User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 180 Thanks: 51 Thanked 79 Times in 39 Posts	Steve, To Me Personally A mis match mag no way makes a shooter. Aftermarket grips really hurt it. Mike Z.

10-11-2011, 08:31 PM	#8
hgreer2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 309 Thanks: 1 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	Offer what you are comfortable with, ask 50 people and you will get 50 different opinions. Harry

10-11-2011, 08:41 PM	#9
Mike Z User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 180 Thanks: 51 Thanked 79 Times in 39 Posts	mreric is on it. For $2000.00 you surely could find a really nice P.08 I Mean Really Nice. I would stay away from a S/42 1940 because a 1940 should be a 42 code. If you want a matched mag the price is always alot more but it's unusual to find a matched mag P.08. Check your proofs and suffix. You can't deduct for a matched mag you add. Keep an eye on the WTS on the forum I have had nothing but great dealings when I'm looking to add to my collection. Mike Z.

10-11-2011, 10:50 PM	#10
MilitaryTorch User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I just spoke to the seller and he is asking $900 for it. How much are the blank, eagle 655 girps? Is it a difficult proposition? Steve

10-12-2011, 01:07 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	Steve..Better start finding out all you can in these ten days you have. $900 is a good price for the right pistol but a bad price for one that's not right. Go to you tube and study how to take a luger apart. That's a good start towards looking at one. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-12-2011, 01:10 PM	#15
MilitaryTorch User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Very good advice, I will definitely do as much homework as I can. I was thinking of offering about $700 just to be closer to a safer side. How difficult is it to find original unmarked grips? how much do they go for? Thank you very much

10-12-2011, 06:21 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	How difficult is it to find original unmarked grips? how much do they go for? Not too bad..they pop up pretty often. I would say $75-100 for a good pair. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-24-2011, 01:28 AM	#17
MilitaryTorch User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I ended up buying 1939 S/42 Luger so I am going to upload few pictures. I now need to find grips and actually find out what they should be marked as? Eagle 63? What do you think the grips need to be marked as? Also I have to say that I am not too bright when it comes to figuring out what a sear safety is. If you have grips for sale that I am looking for please let me know. Thank you, Steve PS Bore is shiny and all numbers match inside. I also need to figure out which tool is correct for the gun. Droop Eagle 63? or maybe S/42 marked one? Attached Thumbnails

10-24-2011, 08:31 AM	#18
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 225 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Steve, If you bought this gun for $900.00 you did very well indeed. The finish looks original and 1939 S/42s are one of the harder variations to find. Since finding correctly numbered grips is next to impossible, try to find armorer's replacements, which would be stamped SE/63, 42 or both. The correct tool would also be marked SE/63. Regards, Norm

10-24-2011, 08:40 AM	#19
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Looks like a good one (once you loose the hideous grips...). Congrat's! dju

10-24-2011, 08:43 AM	#20
Mike Z User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 180 Thanks: 51 Thanked 79 Times in 39 Posts	I agree for $900 all matching internal you did great. Mike Z.